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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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FreddysSquishyBollock · 05/11/2023 09:55

The Absolute State of The BACP!

As an aside, it occurs to me how James Esses is like Maya Forstater - neither went quietly after being bullied out for their (perfectly ordinary) GC views and both have become formidable writers & activists.

The TRAs made some of best GC public figures.

Made me chuckle for a moment before going back to the serious stuff.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/11/2023 09:59

Sanchez Manning, the journalist, has been brilliant on these issues.

Timeforabiscuit · 05/11/2023 10:03

In all seriousness, this is a fucking nightmare for parents, psychotherapist isn't a protected term so I rely on professional registration to help filter out poorly qualified and therapists charging £50 an hour for a gentle chat.

Equally, if my daughter 13 walks into a session about anxiety, dresses like a boy and is a lesbian, and walks out stating she must be trans and wants a binder - would this count as poor practice?

AlisonDonut · 05/11/2023 10:07

This is the guy that said it didn't matter if some women died due to self ID right?

BCAP showing their true colours
OldCrone · 05/11/2023 10:07

This person?

BCAP showing their true colours
MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/11/2023 10:08

Amazing how some of the most unsuitable people in the world get to weigh in on matters of ethics isn't it? Especially given their impact on women and children.

AlisonDonut · 05/11/2023 10:09

Snap but you had a better screenshot!

Badchickenpecks · 05/11/2023 12:53

I’ve been having some counselling in relation to husbands cross dressing. I have specifically asked at the outset about their views on transgender, as in my mind there is a push by TRAs to conflate the two. Without checking this out I would not have felt free to speak honestly. Having said that both therapists were clear that they are required to affirm where necessary. It is ridiculous if you have to check this out in advance in order to feel safe in a therapeutic relationship,

ArthurbellaScott · 05/11/2023 13:22

Thank goodness the DM is publishing this.

'Some feminists see transgender people as treacherous because they often seem to buy, perhaps for suspected fetishistic reasons, into an ideologically constructed version of femininity which is just another part of patriarchy’s intricate system of systems of oppression. And some transgender people see feminists as treacherous because they say things like “You can’t make yourself into a fucking woman by cutting your bloody bits off”.'

SGC

https://www.thelovepost.global/identity/articles/being-transgender-and-transgender-being

PaperWalkAndTalk · 05/11/2023 13:38

Isn't it always going to be the case that the most vocal, vile and deeply activist people are going to be putting their names forward for all of these jobs?

Hoardasurass · 05/11/2023 13:58

PaperWalkAndTalk · 05/11/2023 13:38

Isn't it always going to be the case that the most vocal, vile and deeply activist people are going to be putting their names forward for all of these jobs?

That is true however it is the responsibility of the organisation not to hire such inappropriate people or allow them to have any influence in the organisation

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Froodwithatowel · 05/11/2023 14:01

PaperWalkAndTalk · 05/11/2023 13:38

Isn't it always going to be the case that the most vocal, vile and deeply activist people are going to be putting their names forward for all of these jobs?

Yes.

It is rather like someone from the EDL desperate to get into the Immigration Office and set policy. The reasons why are obvious. The issue is one of safeguarding, due diligence and basic bloody common sense on the part of employers, and getting past the awwww bless and jolly photo ops demonstrating how lovely and diverse they look in the marketing.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 05/11/2023 14:05

‘Sophie ‘ 😂😂😂

(Short for Sophia : Greek for Wisdom)

Grace …….well, maybe.

Sisterpita · 05/11/2023 16:32

Interesting the article states “Last night Prof Chappell, who teaches at the Open University”. I wonder if there was any link to the OUs treatment of Jo Phoenix and others?

HelenFisksBrownSuit · 05/11/2023 19:08

The BACP is in total disarray at the moment over poor governance. It's out of step with other professional bodies, who are rowing back on the conversion therapy issue. This statement, for example, is very clear.

https://www.psychotherapy.org.uk/news/ukcp-guidance-regarding-gender-critical-views/

UKCP guidance regarding gender critical views

https://www.psychotherapy.org.uk/news/ukcp-guidance-regarding-gender-critical-views

eitherorneithernor · 05/11/2023 22:25

The statement from UKCP is very interesting considering that's the membership organisation James Esses is taking to court.

I wonder if they are trying to distance themselves from Metanoia, the training organisation that dismissed him similar to the way the whole Stonewall/ Garden court thing turned out.

HelenFisksBrownSuit · 06/11/2023 05:55

I think the writing is on the wall, and they have had to put that statement out.

ArthurbellaScott · 06/11/2023 06:22

That's a great statement.

EdgeOfACoin · 06/11/2023 06:36

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 05/11/2023 14:05

‘Sophie ‘ 😂😂😂

(Short for Sophia : Greek for Wisdom)

Grace …….well, maybe.

On top of that, it's a name you see on young women in their twenties and younger. The name 'Sophie' took off in the nineties, I think, and you didn't hear it much in the sixties, when this person was born. 'Grace' is a popular middle name now, but it wasn't a few decades ago.

This individual would almost certainly not have been named Sophie Grace had they been born female - Carol Jane or Deborah (Debbie) Anne would have been a much more typical name for someone born in 1964.

Obviously they can pick whatever name they like but it just adds to the overall incongruence when faced with this person.

Justwrong68 · 06/11/2023 07:42

HelenFisksBrownSuit · 05/11/2023 19:08

The BACP is in total disarray at the moment over poor governance. It's out of step with other professional bodies, who are rowing back on the conversion therapy issue. This statement, for example, is very clear.

https://www.psychotherapy.org.uk/news/ukcp-guidance-regarding-gender-critical-views/

But they say that sex being immutable is a belief

SinnerBoy · 06/11/2023 07:44

Sophie isn't short for sophist, then?

Sisterpita · 06/11/2023 07:48

@Justwrong68 they are correct the Maya Forstater EAT determined it is a belief under the EA2010.

We believe it’s a scientific fact so in legal terms it’s our belief that is protected.

Great statement towards a more balanced and nuanced approach.

Ofcourseshecan · 06/11/2023 08:07

Good for the Mail being absolutely honest with this story and its headline Transgender activist who said it 'would not matter' if the number of female murders increased if men were allowed to self-identify as women is devising ethics rules for therapists.

If you’d told me five years ago that one day I’d be boycotting the Guardian and cheering on the Mail (and other once-despised papers like the Times and Telegraph), I wouldn’t have
believed you. 😧

Ofcourseshecan · 06/11/2023 08:12

EdgeOfACoin · 06/11/2023 06:36

On top of that, it's a name you see on young women in their twenties and younger. The name 'Sophie' took off in the nineties, I think, and you didn't hear it much in the sixties, when this person was born. 'Grace' is a popular middle name now, but it wasn't a few decades ago.

This individual would almost certainly not have been named Sophie Grace had they been born female - Carol Jane or Deborah (Debbie) Anne would have been a much more typical name for someone born in 1964.

Obviously they can pick whatever name they like but it just adds to the overall incongruence when faced with this person.

Good point. I wonder why men suddenly discover they’re ‘girls’, not middle-aged women …

ArthurbellaScott · 06/11/2023 08:24

EdgeOfACoin · 06/11/2023 06:36

On top of that, it's a name you see on young women in their twenties and younger. The name 'Sophie' took off in the nineties, I think, and you didn't hear it much in the sixties, when this person was born. 'Grace' is a popular middle name now, but it wasn't a few decades ago.

This individual would almost certainly not have been named Sophie Grace had they been born female - Carol Jane or Deborah (Debbie) Anne would have been a much more typical name for someone born in 1964.

Obviously they can pick whatever name they like but it just adds to the overall incongruence when faced with this person.

Well, how many 58 year olds wear bows in their hair and froufrou skirts that tend to 'fly up'?

BCAP showing their true colours
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