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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Thank you, JKR, for shining light on the capture of Australia to GI, & the hatred of women enshrined here in law.

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HiddenLegoOuch · 05/11/2023 08:17

As the rest of the world seems to be moving towards logic, science and reality, Australia once again shows just how captured our Government and Courts are to the thrall of TRAs & Gender Ideology.

Few people in Australia realise or care what Queer Theory being inserted into our very fabric means or will lead to. Those that fight it and seek to expose it are vilified, publicly abused, and castigated by the media.

Many thanks to JKR on X for shining the light on the women-hating laws/guidelines just enacted in South Australia. Gender Identity theory is enshrined in law, with gender pronoun use being made compulsory in court. This has started - a woman who has been raped/subject to male violence will have to use female pronouns for her (male) attacker, if that perpetrator is a TW.

This is not just a bench book written according to “Stonewall law”, it is blatant pandering to trans ideology and is absolutely shameful.

https://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/jk-rowling-trashes-new-south-australian-court-rules-on-pronouns/news-story/172a371060862ebf27c90b72c005c7a7

Harry Potter author slams new gender rules

Children’s author JK Rowling has lashed out at new gender rules set to govern one state’s court system, saying they could re-traumatise women who are the victims of male violence.

https://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/jk-rowling-trashes-new-south-australian-court-rules-on-pronouns/news-story/172a371060862ebf27c90b72c005c7a7

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/11/2023 12:15

She's been brilliant in shining a light on what's happening across the world.
Such a great woman.

MishyJDI · 05/11/2023 15:06

Fortunately the younger generation are far more liberal...

PonyPatter44 · 05/11/2023 15:14

MishyJDI · 05/11/2023 15:06

Fortunately the younger generation are far more liberal...

Hatred of women and pandering to sex offenders doesn't sound terribly liberal to me, but then you do you, poo.

RoyalCorgi · 05/11/2023 15:21

I admire her so much. She's getting a tremendous amount of abuse on Twitter - and of course people are deliberately misrepresenting what she said, but what's new - but she keeps going.

She doesn't have to do this. She could just bask in the fame and adulation she's won over the years. Instead she's chosen to fight for the rights of women less fortunate than she is - women who are ignored, forgotten or maligned by the people in power.

If there is such a thing as the right side of history - and I hope there is - she will be revered by future generations for the courage and humanity she has shown.

sanluca · 05/11/2023 15:46

MishyJDI · 05/11/2023 15:06

Fortunately the younger generation are far more liberal...

I disagree forcing women to lie under oath to protect the feelings of the men who raped them can ever be classified as 'liberal'

Helleofabore · 05/11/2023 15:50

MishyJDI · 05/11/2023 15:06

Fortunately the younger generation are far more liberal...

As usual your misogyny is on display very clearly.

Thanks for never being inconsistent in this.

Grammarnut · 05/11/2023 15:55

MishyJDI · 05/11/2023 15:06

Fortunately the younger generation are far more liberal...

Unfortunately, you mean, and not liberal, licentious and also ignorant and quite happy to perpetuate the oldest hatred: misogyny.

duc748 · 05/11/2023 15:55

It's absolutely disgraceful. What happens to women who might refuse to do this, and refer to a man as a man? Contempt of court? Further charges?

Musomama1 · 05/11/2023 16:23

What about victim's rights? I don't think this is 'liberalism', it's more like rank mysogyny in liberalism's clothing really.

The law only works if the truth is told. Hope Australia will wake up.

MidWineCent · 05/11/2023 16:52

I don't understand this.
If I was to have to call my perp a "she" then I would be lying under oath. Surely this is a very serious offence?

Tipsysj · 05/11/2023 17:48

Why should any female put the feelings of her rapist before her own?
Besides, irrespective of 'preferred pronouns', compelled speech isn't a thing, perjury is. Correctly sexing someone comes naturally to 99.9% of the worlds population.

WandaWomblesaurus · 05/11/2023 18:40

MishyJDI · 05/11/2023 15:06

Fortunately the younger generation are far more liberal...

So you think that a woman should have to call her MALE rapist fully intact with penis and balls, a woman?
Misogynistic bullshit.

DialSquare · 05/11/2023 18:41

I wish I had £1 for every time I cringed for Mishy.

Pudmyboy · 05/11/2023 19:10

Note in the article, for no reason, Daniel the ingrate's twopenn'th from years ago is printed in full: why?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/11/2023 19:23

DialSquare · 05/11/2023 18:41

I wish I had £1 for every time I cringed for Mishy.

Mishy can often offer a teaching moment. An opportunity to explore what the wrong side of history is saying about women / safeguarding / men's demands at a certain time 😂

HiddenLegoOuch · 05/11/2023 21:45

Thanks, Mish. There is no better indicator that this compelled denial of reality and mandated forced speech is thoroughly misogynistic and GI captured, alternative-universe/perverse and cruel anti-women bullshit than your endorsement.

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HiddenLegoOuch · 05/11/2023 21:52

Just to note -
the article has been edited as of about 2 hours ago. The previous version ended with the South Australian government refused to comment on JKRs post.

The final comments by the Chief Justice were not initially present.

The fact that the male aggressor can have anyone in court or reflected in the transcript of the case refer to them as “female” must be absolutely soul-destroying for the victim (especially so if the trans-out-of-jail card has been pulled out between assault and court case).

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Musomama1 · 06/11/2023 07:50

Exactly. Can the victim refer to them as their name? In the same way we do at MN to avoid being deleted for using real pronouns?

Not saying that is a satisfactory workaround, but just wondering how policed the victim would be?

MrSand · 06/11/2023 08:25

There eems to be a backing down from the Chief Justice. In the original article that JKR quoted, he said:

"the correct pronunciation of names and use of the preferred gender pronoun is a matter of respect and is an important component of ensuring public confidence in the proper administration of justice"

But now he says:

“A victim of crime would never be asked to address an accused person in a way which caused the victim distress."

It looks like it hadn't occured to think about the impact on the victim until JKR pointed it out.

HiddenLegoOuch · 06/11/2023 11:42

Yes - because the victim’s suffering would be magnified if she had to lie and use female pronouns.

In a similar vein, however, what about the victim’s distress at having to hear the other people in court (judge, lawyers, witnesses, etc) refer to her attacker/rapist as “she/her” and a female name?

That is the exact opposite of ensuring the survivor is not further abused by the justice system!

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fromorbit · 06/11/2023 15:08

JKR is winning twitter again over the Judge's response :

The Honourable Chris Kourakis has issued a statement referring to my 'anxiety' about the use of female pronouns for men standing trial for violence against women and rape. He states that 'a victim of crime would never be asked to address an accused person in a way which caused the victim distress.'

That assurance is welcome, although I note that he’s addressed the matter only after it was raised publicly. No such exemption is mentioned in the Practice Note, which takes the ideological position that the ‘use of preferred gender pronouns is a matter of respect’. The natural inference is that a woman would be considered guilty of disrespect if she, alone in the courtroom, described her male attacker as a man, while all court officials were addressing and describing him as a woman. This is not a hypothetical situation. The judge will be aware, if he's informed himself – as he implies I have not - that I've already cited an example where a 60-year-old woman was violently assaulted by a 26-year-old trans-identified male. She was chided by the judge for displaying 'bad grace' by not using her attacker's preferred pronouns.

The Practice Note does not acknowledge that in sexual and violent crimes committed by men against women, there is a clear clash of rights. The woman has a right - indeed, a legal duty - to speak truthfully about the male violence/sexual violence to which she was subjected. Meanwhile the Practice Note says that court officials should respectfully use female pronouns for the attacker if he says he identifies as a woman. The likely effect on a traumatised woman of hearing her attacker addressed and described as a female by the court is neither mentioned nor addressed in the Practice Note. Respect, it seems, goes only one way.

Millions of women are losing confidence in judicial systems that have adopted an ideological position with which they do not agree. In the very place where they go to seek justice, a woman may now be obliged to listen to court officials asserting they were raped or beaten by a fellow woman. Such women are not merely ‘anxious’, they are furious, about the apparent inability of certain men, judges or not, to understand how dystopian this situation seems to those of us who have suffered male sexual violence.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1721506268798452195

This sexist nonsense needs to be called out. Now JKR has raised it and everyone is talking about it. More peaking. More understanding that male criminals are getting away with evil.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1721506268798452195

StarlightLime · 06/11/2023 15:10

MishyJDI · 05/11/2023 15:06

Fortunately the younger generation are far more liberal...

You try so hard... Bless.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 06/11/2023 15:39

JKR is a hero. I'm grateful we have her and others like her in our corner.

lifeturnsonadime · 06/11/2023 15:41

MishyJDI · 05/11/2023 15:06

Fortunately the younger generation are far more liberal...

Ha ha ha ha no.

Many of the younger generation see this for exactly what it is.

The fact that they have been effectively silenced, on pain of being disciplined by college or university, doesn't mean that they believe that men are women if they say so.

I am so glad that JKR continues to speak out on this misogynistic nonsense and I'm glad for your post too Mishy, you are casting sunlight on how woman hating this is, siding with rapists should not be seen as a liberal position.

RoyalCorgi · 06/11/2023 15:48

JKR's response to the judge is bang on. Absolutely infuriating the way that Kourakis is trying to pretend that JKR has misunderstood the intention of the practice note and that she is being "anxious," when all she has done is very astutely point out the problem with the advice.

Dennis Kavanagh also has a good Twitter thread about this.

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1721473042662965298

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1721473042662965298

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