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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

KJK

687 replies

Notaflippinclue · 04/11/2023 22:14

Why the fuck has MUMSNET cancelled her

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RethinkingLife · 09/11/2023 11:53

OldCrone · 09/11/2023 01:07

When did you spend time in a women's prison Alpha? What was your crime?

tbh, I'm also wondering, given the unmitigated, unqualified, no proximate modifiers confidence of the statement, about the story/conviction/offence behind the comparator which surely has to be time in the men's prison estate.

ArthurbellaScott · 09/11/2023 11:59

It's all fantasy based. To be blunt.

AlphaTransWoman · 09/11/2023 12:06

AlisonDonut · 09/11/2023 11:51

Posie has a space on Twitter/X right now Alpha if you want to go on and debate her.

Thank you. I'll need to figure out how to get onto Twitter, but that might be the best place for a discussion with her😀

Hanlonsamazer · 09/11/2023 12:07

I spent some time on remand earlier this year in a large women’s prison. There was a TW on my spur. The difference in socialisation was STARK. Very glad when they were moved off, the atmosphere changed dramatically. They also had a single room marker so no risk of sharing. Amongst 33 women, one man made a huge difference.

ArthurbellaScott · 09/11/2023 12:10

Hanlonsamazer · 09/11/2023 12:07

I spent some time on remand earlier this year in a large women’s prison. There was a TW on my spur. The difference in socialisation was STARK. Very glad when they were moved off, the atmosphere changed dramatically. They also had a single room marker so no risk of sharing. Amongst 33 women, one man made a huge difference.

Yes, this is always the point that is missed. Politicians bang on about 'tiny numbers' of people - forgetting that one single man can traumatise/retraumatise/irritate the shit out of/spoil the dynamic of/trigger large groups and many numbers of women.

How many women have self excluded from Edinburgh's Rape Crisis because they know that the CEO is a male who things part of his role is to 're educate' women who disagree with him?

Helleofabore · 09/11/2023 12:12

Hanlonsamazer · 09/11/2023 12:07

I spent some time on remand earlier this year in a large women’s prison. There was a TW on my spur. The difference in socialisation was STARK. Very glad when they were moved off, the atmosphere changed dramatically. They also had a single room marker so no risk of sharing. Amongst 33 women, one man made a huge difference.

Thank you Hanlon. Not to engage or pry, but was it anything like our male poster has portrayed it? I believe the words were:

Women are treated so kindly in prison that I cannot believe they would suffer any significant "punishment" for misgendering someone, other than being asked to spend a short while living in separate conditions from other residents.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/11/2023 12:17

Thank you. I'll need to figure out how to get onto Twitter, but that might be the best place for a discussion with her

Not sure you'll get a platform in a discussion entitled "Wolves In Wolves Clothing: The "Good" AGPs"

GrittyTunnocks · 09/11/2023 12:20

Helleofabore · 09/11/2023 12:12

Thank you Hanlon. Not to engage or pry, but was it anything like our male poster has portrayed it? I believe the words were:

Women are treated so kindly in prison that I cannot believe they would suffer any significant "punishment" for misgendering someone, other than being asked to spend a short while living in separate conditions from other residents.

I don’t think Alpha knows what he is talking about.

Tallisker · 09/11/2023 12:21

Fuck 'be kind'. Fuck silky frocks. Fuck flippy hair. Fuck soft and submissive. Fuck respecting pronouns. Fuck engaging with these creeps. Fuck playing along.

Ooh Arthur get off that fence and tell us what you really think 🤣

AlphaTransWoman · 09/11/2023 12:22

Hmm. The trouble is, I don't technically fall into that three letter category people commonly allude to on these threads. I'm something a lot more weird and complicated - no need to go over the details of that again. So probably the wrong discussion for me to engage in.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 09/11/2023 12:23

AlphaTransWoman · 09/11/2023 12:06

Thank you. I'll need to figure out how to get onto Twitter, but that might be the best place for a discussion with her😀

Sounds as if you don’t know much about Twitter. It’s not moderated anything like as well as MN so you’d better get your skin thickened before you venture into the jungle. KJK will be able to eat you alive (metaphorically) and no-one will delete what she says. Have fun. Actually, given the evidence of what you seem to enjoy, don’t have fun, just keep safe.

ArthurbellaScott · 09/11/2023 12:23

Tallisker · 09/11/2023 12:21

Fuck 'be kind'. Fuck silky frocks. Fuck flippy hair. Fuck soft and submissive. Fuck respecting pronouns. Fuck engaging with these creeps. Fuck playing along.

Ooh Arthur get off that fence and tell us what you really think 🤣

<clears throat>

Helleofabore · 09/11/2023 12:25

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/11/2023 12:17

Thank you. I'll need to figure out how to get onto Twitter, but that might be the best place for a discussion with her

Not sure you'll get a platform in a discussion entitled "Wolves In Wolves Clothing: The "Good" AGPs"

Oh my.

Syrupycake · 09/11/2023 12:30

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/11/2023 12:30

Good advice right now in general from someone in the KJK space: "don't give them any attention, that's what they want, don't give them a platform, don't engage."

MassiveWordSalad · 09/11/2023 12:34

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What about feeding them banana skin bacon?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/11/2023 12:36

And lettuce and cucumber soup

AlisonDonut · 09/11/2023 12:39

AlphaTransWoman · 09/11/2023 12:06

Thank you. I'll need to figure out how to get onto Twitter, but that might be the best place for a discussion with her😀

I mean, its not hard.

You type 'twitter' into google.

To get to google, you type 'google' onto a web browser.

To get a web browser, you buy a computer or phone.

Because you've no idea about IT, AMIRITE?

Its a fucking wonder how you still managed to find your way here.

I tripped up and my posts were on a feminist section of Mumsnet?

That sort of thing?

BonfireLady · 09/11/2023 12:40

Datun · 09/11/2023 00:05

Ministry of Justice has confirmed that women in prison are expected to use ‘correct’ pronouns and may be punished for refusing to comply. In a reply to a written question asked by Lord Philip Hunt, Lord Wolfson explained that it is only where a woman makes ‘an honest mistake’ in using ‘incorrect pronouns’ that she can be assured that she will not suffer a penalty

it truly is under his eye. How fucking dare they. It's got to be illegal!!!

Absolutely.

This is the issue with compelled speech. There is no way it should ever be allowed. People should be completely free to choose what pronouns they use when describing someone. I can't imagine many (make that any at all) women prisoners would choose to use female pronouns for transwomen, given what is already known from the ONS and FOI data on both the significantly high number of women in prison who have been the victims of sexual violence and the percentage of transwomen who are in for sex offences.

Someone also mentioned the Forstater case. Everyone now has the legal right to hold the belief that sex immutable (and that we don't all have a gender identity). I would assume that as users of the prison service, prisoners are covered under this too.

BonfireLady · 09/11/2023 12:43

Boiledbeetle · 09/11/2023 07:33

KJK is as direct as she is because nothing will stop Aging Graying Potbellied men from being acting and talking like MEN!

Yep. But even saying a clear and direct no doesn't stop it happening.

GailBlancheViola · 09/11/2023 13:04

AlphaTransWoman · 09/11/2023 12:22

Hmm. The trouble is, I don't technically fall into that three letter category people commonly allude to on these threads. I'm something a lot more weird and complicated - no need to go over the details of that again. So probably the wrong discussion for me to engage in.

You'll find any excuse will to back out, your previous robust statements about debating are shown for what they are - empty rhetoric.

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AlphaTransWoman · 09/11/2023 13:18

"Aging Graying Potbellied"

To be fair, I DO fit into that particular definition of what those letters stand for. But not the other one we don't talk about. 🙅

MavisMcMinty · 09/11/2023 13:19

‘Course not love. Not you, not someone so “weird and complicated”.