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Disciplinary Hearing PC Watson

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Brainworm · 27/10/2023 13:48

I came on FWR to read posters thoughts on the disciplinary hearing happening today, but can,t find a thread. Sorry if there is one already.

From what I am reading, the defence for the alleged online harassment and stalking of those with GC views is that 1) those being harassed are 'terrorists' 2) It was a senior ranking Sargent who advised PC Watson to set up a sock account to cover PC Watson's tracks.

It seems a no brainier for the officer to be dismissed and, if there is evidence to support claims of the 'sock puppet' advice, for there to be a hearing for the Sargent also.

I am not sure how PC Watson's tran status will provide any reasonable defence....but that doesn't mean reason will prevail!

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PronounssheRa · 27/10/2023 16:51

It's a good result, and one that wouldn't have happened if fair cop hadn't been so resolute.

I don't think the police left to their own devices would have done anything about this. It's time they took responsibility for cleaning their own house.

yourhairiswinterfire · 27/10/2023 16:53

RethinkingLife · 27/10/2023 16:23

Anyone think there's a reasonable prospect of follow up charges wrt offences under Communications Act 2003?

Sarah Phillimore tweeted 'Criminal charges have to pass evidential and public interest test. Higher standard of proof. So possibly not'.

https://twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1717920177231155565

She also said that Harry has 800+ examples of abuse from this copper but the police refused to arrest him.

https://twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1717920177231155565

Tallisker · 27/10/2023 16:58

Is this the one that posed with a taser or the one who blew up/shot watermelons?

Tallisker · 27/10/2023 17:41

Thank you!

Topofthemountain · 27/10/2023 17:43

There's quite a stark difference in the reporting from last century to now. I hope society has moved on from sacking people because they are transgender (though transexual in the article).

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Brainworm · 27/10/2023 17:48

It's depressing that this person had to be reported so many times before any action was taken, but at least it was and that the hearing was balanced.

Outcomes like this will shore up other organisations to not be cowed by claims of oppression and discrimination when faced with entitled men making demands for rights that aren't theirs for the taking.

Because transgender ideology (unlike the prior understanding of gender dysphoria) acts like the pied piper to middle aged men with a host of narcissistic and antisocial issues/conditions healthy people encountering them won't tolerate them.

The people who will miss out will be those who experience gender dysphoria and get tarred with the same brush as the narcissists.

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Froodwithatowel · 27/10/2023 17:54

Maerchentante · 27/10/2023 14:48

"His mitigating statement states that he was acting on behalf of the persecuted LGBTQI community."

This should not be a "get out of jail" card, but of course authorities often turn a blind eye when abusers state they are "acting on behalf of the persecuted LGBTQI community"

Not on behalf of me he wasn't.

He was in fact contributing to the persecuting of the inconvenient bit of the LGBT community who persist in not being useful and obedient tools for ideologists.

donquixotedelamancha · 27/10/2023 19:02

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12252645.sex-change-policewoman-loses-claim-against-federation-over-legal-action/

It's bonkers that after this bloke left BTP he was re-hired, depspite the fact that this was in the public domain. I wonder whether Leicestershire Police were desperate to recruit (when the Tories reversed their cuts there was a massive intake) or were just terrible at background checks?

Sex-change policewoman loses claim against federation over legal action

A former British Transport policeman who changed to a woman has lost her sex discrimination claim against her union.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12252645.sex-change-policewoman-loses-claim-against-federation-over-legal-action

drspouse · 27/10/2023 19:18

Topofthemountain · 27/10/2023 17:43

There's quite a stark difference in the reporting from last century to now. I hope society has moved on from sacking people because they are transgender (though transexual in the article).

They weren't sacked from nursing, it was pre GRA and he was registered as male due to er, being male, and left in a huff.

IncomingTraffic · 27/10/2023 19:27

Topofthemountain · 27/10/2023 17:43

There's quite a stark difference in the reporting from last century to now. I hope society has moved on from sacking people because they are transgender (though transexual in the article).

Well this one hasn’t been sacked for being trans. This person has been sacked for behaving in a completely unacceptable manner.

lechiffre55 · 27/10/2023 19:29

I do hope Felix pops by to add his pearls of wisdom. Unless he's busy looking for a new job?

Worriedmum159 · 27/10/2023 19:32

+1

SqueakyDinosaur · 28/10/2023 09:24

I wonder what his sergeant actually said?

  1. "Just set up a sockpuppet account and lie if anyone makes the connection", or
  1. "Lynsey, you can't tweet stuff like this from your work twitter. You need to set up your own twitter account"

My money is on it being more along the lines of 2.

Justwrong68 · 28/10/2023 09:47

LarkLane · 27/10/2023 16:48

This has given me a proper Saturday morning chortle

Disciplinary Hearing PC Watson
Chersfrozenface · 28/10/2023 09:56

"It's bonkers that after this bloke left BTP he was re-hired, depspite the fact that this was in the public domain. I wonder whether Leicestershire Police were desperate to recruit (when the Tories reversed their cuts there was a massive intake) or were just terrible at background checks?"

Well, from other cases and the Inspectorate's I think we can guessbthat the second is more likely

https://hmicfrs.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/publication-html/an-inspection-of-vetting-misconduct-and-misogyny-in-the-police-service/

Also, Stonewalled. The force's report on workforce diversity cites 'ethnicity:and 'gender', not sex.

An inspection of vetting, misconduct, and misogyny in the police service - His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services

Foreword Following the murder of Sarah Everard by a serving police officer, the then Home Secretary commissioned us to inspect the police’s vetting and counter-corruption arrangements. This was to include assessing forces’ abilities to detect and deal...

https://hmicfrs.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/publication-html/an-inspection-of-vetting-misconduct-and-misogyny-in-the-police-service

18Piccolinos · 28/10/2023 10:00

Topofthemountain · 27/10/2023 17:43

There's quite a stark difference in the reporting from last century to now. I hope society has moved on from sacking people because they are transgender (though transexual in the article).

Agree, this individual was sacked for their actions, not their gender identity.

BREAKING: PC Watson found guilty by

of:

Gross misconduct.
Lying.
Using a false identity and maintaining the falsehood when challenged.
A high degree of personal culpability.
Targeted abuse.
Disobeying orders.

FeargalLandSharkey · 28/10/2023 10:02

@RethinkingLife
In my experience that sort of info can be found by accessing disciplinary hearings (up coming and outcomes) by googling the regional force the officer is employed by. The outcome (when it is made public) gives some details of how the officer failed in their duties.
Then there is a barred list of all officers dismissed for misconduct.

FeargalLandSharkey · 28/10/2023 10:03

Addendum: barred list of officers from all the forces nationally.

pronounsbundlebundle · 28/10/2023 10:35

I think what's worrying is that if FairCop did not exist, there's no real evidence this police officer would ever have faced consequences for illegal actions, despite his superior officer knowing about them.

I very much feel at the moment that Wayne Couzens is the product of the system within the police. It's a dream job for criminals, particularly sexual predators.

Couzens flashed at a McDonalds drive through on two occasions shortly prior to abducting and murdering Sarah Everard and was caught on McDonalds CCTV, the store took this evidence (including car reg) to police and NOTHING WAS DONE. Of course he thought he could get away with anything.

RethinkingLife · 28/10/2023 10:42

pronounsbundlebundle Emphatically, yes.

It's a culture of impunity.

Very different topic but the more I read on MN about how easy it is for men to evade any financial or parental responsibility for their children, the more I think that most systems are set up to allow men to operate with impunity.

Then we're left with the low bar of admiring men who have that option but select to behave in a half decent manner. Such a low bar.

blubberyboo · 28/10/2023 10:44

This appears to be an abusive male determined to get into a position of power in the community eg police or nursing

chilling

IncomingTraffic · 28/10/2023 11:50

RethinkingLife · 28/10/2023 10:42

pronounsbundlebundle Emphatically, yes.

It's a culture of impunity.

Very different topic but the more I read on MN about how easy it is for men to evade any financial or parental responsibility for their children, the more I think that most systems are set up to allow men to operate with impunity.

Then we're left with the low bar of admiring men who have that option but select to behave in a half decent manner. Such a low bar.

You also see on MN how much apologism and holding women responsible for men’s behaviour there is.

The bar is so low and all too often we blame and vilify women who expect men even to meet that or, the horror!, might complain about how low the bar is. Nasty man-hating harpies expecting men to take responsibility and not being truly delighted when they behave in a half decent manner.

Depressing.

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