School nurse advised autistic 14 yr old to take puberty blockers

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And detailed how to access:

Two twitter threads, one by the parent of the child who found the notes the nurse made for the child on a pamphlet:

x.com/callie43916570/status/1717617008798314691?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Child was directed to mermaids and Mother shows details of gofundme budgeting child made in order to access gender Gp.

And a second linked thread by Clare Page / No Secret lessons, exploring who was involved in writing the pamphlet:

x.com/nosecretlessons/status/1717643770525622578?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Particularly Sci:dentity - linking to a horrifically sexist schools drama workshop whereby children took a quiz and worked out their gender identity score based on questions such as "I can knit" and "I have more oestrogen than testosterone in my body" and a description of teaching children that they don't need to have a penis to be a man.

Which a young boy repeats readily and thanks his 'teachers' for helping him understand this.

(Of course, what is not said is the inverse; you can be a woman with a penis...)

The quiz used in a drama workshop

The age of the child is not revealed in the twitter thread. I think it's important.

Also, the drama workshop is for AS level students.

Sally Hines' work is referenced in the sci:dentity discussion - all these Bloody queer theory academic 'ideas,' none with any background in child psychology or development, filter down to projects like this, funded by reputable institutions and used by the NHS.

The butterfly effect end point is young vulnerable and/ or autistic children being told lies about their body and led into a lifetime of medical abuse.

Yes it is

The age the drama workshop was for is irrelevant, the group that contributed to writing the pamphlet designed the workshop and used the 'positive' outcomes as evidence of impact. This will have fed into everything else they did.

The messages contained in the lesson and the write up are what's relevant as as those core ideas are then being used by the nhs and passed onto a child in a 1:1 session by the school nurse.

Possibly missing the point but it turns out I don't just have masculine characteristics, I may in fact be male. Q19. I see myself as a logical rational person rather than an emotional one!

Why why why suggest any of that to kids/anyone? It's so offensive.

This is just awful.
The "gender-mapping" of the sex-based stereotypes to create a gender identity is indoctrination in to a belief.
The mum says that the child is autistic. A map like that for a neurotypical child is bad enough but autistic children are even more likely to lock on to the outcome of the gender mapping and see it as a truth.
For the school nurse to then secretly enable a medicalised pathway seals the deal.
It really is a complete playbook on how to become transgender.
Using the sex-based stereotypes to teach about gender identity goes against even the current (next to useless) DfE guidance too.
Thank goodness this mum was able to step in. That doesn't mean that it's all plain sailing from here though as the ideas have already been firmly planted in her son's head.

That quiz is surely designed to groom young people into thinking they might be trans if they don’t fit ridiculous gender stereotypes. Dangerous, regressive, irresponsible bullshit.

This is the link to the sci:dentity project homepage: https://www.gold.ac.uk/cucr/research/res29/

Goldsmiths, Wellcome, some well-known names here …

Omg, that stereotypes quiz. Totally retrograde and offensive. If you’re gender non-conforming, get on a medical pathway, wtf?
Is the provider identified? Can they be reported to DFE or ofstead or whoever?

Cross posted with meanacademic.

If it's y2, y9 or yr12 it's wholly irrelevant; as you say @DogDaysNeverEnd, the messages embedded in that quiz are offensive and leading.

"Bras in a variety of colours..." I mean, where to start with that one, ffs.

Even if they were using it to dispel sexist ideas, it's leading within the context of a summary that you don't have to have a penis to be a man.

So, homophobic too.

Ah ok, it’s not quite as bad as I’d thought as they say this quiz was ”designed to further encourage discussions of gender stereotypes and issues of policing gender“.
Still not at all clear to me from the undetailed write up that using this with kids was either ethical or within DFE guidance. I strongly suspect not.

The sci:dentity project goes back to 2006, so this is something that was devised almost twenty years ago, that’s when the first trial workshops in schools were delivered, judging from a quick read of the report. Another name in the report that seems familiar is Jay Stewart. I think it’s important not to underestimate how much time & money has flown into projects that are clearly recognisable as highly questionable (trying to be polite and not say ‘total nonsense’) but have been taken seriously by elite institutions for a very long time. And schoolchildren have been the guinea pigs.

What I can't work out is if that lesson was delivered a long time ago or not.

The date on the pamphlet which references sci:dentity is 2007. So they've been going for a good while.

It's worth noting that the tweeter speaking about her 14 year old in the thread appears to and complained to the school nursing professional lead and been told that as it happened in 2019 it was all "appropriate for the time"

So that's ok then.

On its own it could be useful if was a stand alone discussion that included good discussion around the differences between sex and gender. But, placed within the learning aims of the workshop, it is what would be considered as leading questioning, particularly as it's then decanted into a quiz score.

The wider context is transgender "identity." Which is based on sexist stereotypes.

A child, even a yr12, who was feeling insecure about gender non conformity due to external and internalised sexism could very easily start to think that perhaps they were indeed trans.

It may have been 20 years ago (I don't know) but clearly the ramifications filter through to today. And clearly the ideas have spread throughout education and those who work with children.

Hopefully that parent of the autistic young person is gathering evidence to take legal action against adults like that school nurse for socially grooming an 14 year old autistic child into believing they can change sex?
There need to be severe consequences for adults, including all the lobby groups currently all over schools and child healthcare, pitching their "born in the wrong body" beliefs at the young.

"Designed to further encourage discussions of gender stereotypes and issues of policing gender“

This is a deliberate framing style that it used to bring in the sleight of hand.

It's also used in the book Alien Nation for primary school children. The same approach, just adapted as needed for the target age group. The basic premise of that book is that there are two planets: the pink and the blue. Everyone on the pink planet wears ribbons, likes glitter, wears dresses etc. Everyone on the blue planet wears trousers, plays with cars etc etc.
This is challenged: "We think it's stupid! Nobody should be told what to wear and play with just because of the planet they live on" (paraphrased).
Then the concept of a new purple planet is introduced, accessed over the rainbow bridge, where everyone can play with what they want.
Then comes the sleight of hand: "Everyone can stay on the purple planet for as long as they need until they are ready to choose which planet they want to live on" (paraphrased).
So back to enforcing stereotypes after all then 🤦‍♀️
The purple planet being non-binary of course.

All of it teaches gender identity as an absolute truth.

Yes - at first I thought it was good that they were distinguishing between male/female (biology) and masculine/feminine (cultural stereotypes).

Except that for them, being logical and rational is male, and crying and worrying about the size of your bum are female. Incredibly offensive.

This.

I am absolutely clear on this - parents (ideally a large group so they can't be targeted for hate and abuse as single claimants have been) need to sue adults who have done this, in civil court if need be. The financial consequences of the child abuse of grooming children into being sterilised, medicated into losing the possibility of ever having normal adult sexual function and a normal adult sex life, need to be severe, extreme and put a stop to this.

It isn't good enough to say it was the prevailing ideology of the time. As PP have said, this takes no account of widely known facts about child psychological development. It's clear grooming, clear child abuse. Just because lots of people hold these deluded beliefs is no excuse -this school nurse abused her position of trust and cast aside her medical ethics. And a minute's critical thought would have made that clear.

I've put my hand in my pocket for Maya, Allison, Denise, Jo but the first court case to protect school aged children from sterilisation and abuse like this and all my money will go there.

@CorruptedCauldron "That quiz is surely designed to groom young people into thinking they might be trans if they don’t fit ridiculous gender stereotypes. Dangerous, regressive, irresponsible bullshit."

One feels it would be illuminating for parents and politicians to see the social media posts and backgrounds of the people behind these schemes aimed at messing with children's minds, 'the demolition merchants of reality' and worse.

What the absolute utter fuck.

Posted the following on another thread this morning, but it feels more appropriate here. It is worse when considering in the context of actively giving this information to autistic children:

I'm just reading DeTrans by Dr AZ Hakeem and its fascinating to read back comments here about an inability to understand the world in certain ways displayed by a lot of trans people because of the huge correlation with autism.

The way he describes it, it sounds a lot like its almost a social communication version of not developing the concept of object permanence. Object permanence is understanding that an object still exists even if you can't see it - think babies who get very excited at peek a boo because they don't grasp that you are still there the whole time.

Instead he says that trans people with autism lack a 'theory of mind' - the inability to really discern what another person with who they are interacting is thinking combined with black and white thinking - which leads to them living by rules which they decide to be right and expect others to see the world as they do, and if others don't follow their own rules they get very upset and think everyone else is wrong.

This taken to the extreme means that they have very black and white ideas of what males and females should look like and how they should behave and divide the world up in this way. They then decide that because they like or do things for the opposite sex they therefore ARE the other sex. And everyone else sees the world in the same way. A bit like a baby who thinks cos they can't see an object, it no longs exists and that no one else can see it either.

He proposes that this goes as far as thinking that once they are 'presenting' as the opposite sex by these stereotypes they pass and because they haven't got the concept of the rest of the world thinking differently, they believe that everyone else sees them as the opposite sex simply because they've put on the corresponding clothing regardless of the other glaringly obvious clues to sex.

In their heads it IS all about them and what they think. If they think that putting on make up makes them look female then every one else will perceive them in the same way. Regardless of all the other things that mark their sex being obvious.

Its just about how they organise the world - so affirmation is probably just about the worst thing you can do, rather than unpick this and teach that things are not gendered. If this is all true, to affirm at all in a medical capacity isn't just irresponsible its actively grossly negligent and discriminatory.

The fact we have numerous posters who can not conceive that sex discrimination relates to biological function they don't have and will affect everything from the design of things to impact on everyday life rather than presentation and stereotypes, really really highlights the point. We've seen so many examples all saying and doing the same thing. Its fascinating to see in real world play outs.

We CAN NOT order the world along these lines because it doesn't reflect reality and how the world works - it only reflects the beliefs of people who can't see things from the perspective of others.

By definition this is about as far removed from being inclusive as it is possible to be.

That quiz is horrendous. Using outdated and frankly dangerous stereotypes.

wtf, insinuating males don't cry. And then we wonder why there's such a high suicide rate with young men who feel they have to be tough and not cry/not talk about their feelings.

Plus I have an excellent sense of direction even though I'm female! Why shouldn't I? i CAN READ MAPS PERFECTLY WELL!

Bloody hell that quiz wtf

Dangerous, regressive BS