School sports

[AlphaTransWoman]

Do you think it is ever acceptable to force a child assigned male at birth to participate in contact sports at school such as football or rugby. If so do you appreciate the distress this may cause to children born with a male body who have a female gender identity?

Obviously my personal belief is that girls and women are more likely to be caring and inclusive - but I don't think either of my suggestions depend on this so we can agree to differ on that particular point.

My personal lived experience of having experienced 5 years of hell at senior school is that girls can be hidious, vicious, exclusionary bitches.
They can also be nice, kind and caring. As can can men, because you know people are all individuals.

Why don't you think you should be allowed to play sport with women when you whole heartedly believe you are a woman?
I have just wade through your AMA and it's all so vague and wooly - you are a woman because you feel like one, but you show time and time again that you don't know how it feels to be a woman. It's like me declaring that I feel like a sealion and on being asked why saying I like fish and swimming and German opera because I think sealions probably love German opera and definitely like fish.
We can ever know how it feels to be something we aren't so all we can do if guess and many of your guesses of what it is to be woman are so wide of the mark it's actually painful.
I'm sorry you had a hard time at school and that you have been let down by the assumptions of maleness but this doesn't make you a woman. Woman are not failed men.

@Girlontherailreplacementbusservice

Why don't you think you should be allowed to play sport with women when you whole heartedly believe you are a woman?

Because my body is physiologically male, despite a long time on female hormones. Fairness in sport is about the body rather than the mind.

I do disagree with the recent decision to exclude trans women from women's chess though - surely upper body strength etc is not a factor there?

@AlphaTransWoman when were you last actually in a school?

How up to date is your knowledge of what goes on in schools now?

I do disagree with the recent decision to exclude trans women from women's chess though - surely upper body strength etc is not a factor there?

But surely chess is ritualised combat that us little flowers can't complete on fair terms because we are incapable of being competitive? You can't have it both ways either we have lady brains and men brains and that is the difference between men and women or it is physically difference that count (which by the way do not start and finish with upper body strength).

The whole point is that trans women DO have what you refer to as "lady brains" in male bodies. That's what makes us trans.

Mid 1980s. I hope things have got a bit better since then but my knowledge on this subject is very limited.

But you are a woman and womaning has nothing to do with bodies - it's all about the brain or possibly the feeling and definitely about feeling powerful in a skirt suit while defining women as submissive and happy in supporting roles. Can't you see the contradiction? Because it's so huge it's probably visable from space.

Lady brains 🤪🤪🤪

this is a wind up

the rock is grey and smooth….

The whole point is that trans women DO have what you refer to as "lady brains" in male bodies. That's what makes us trans.

But you grew up being treated as male, you probably had a chess club run by a male teacher, the boys probably took the piss out of any girl that came to chess club, or harassed them or were openly hostile to them. Remember those special awards, candidate lists etc for women because we have traditionally been disadvantaged it one of those situations.

I might like to ask @AlphaTransWoman if they have always been a dickhead or if this is a characteristic that they have developed over time. I won't ask that because it could be regarded as pejorative but......

BTW if we understand nothing about how you work, it is still more than you understand how we work.

finally I have found the quote button.

I can’t speak for secondary as it’s been about 20 years since I last worked in a mainstream secondary school but I can assure you that this

teachers should work to create an inclusive environment where children are not judged harshly for being bad at sport. They could do this thorough the example they set and by encouraging appropriate behaviour

is ABSOLUTELY how teachers behave in schools these days (and in fairness I’d say the same 20 years ago, although things may be different).

I think offering advice to PE teachers when you’ve not experienced it for 40 years is a bit pointless.

But as actual women, female women are capable of playing rugby and don’t have ‘lady brains’ then what in the world are transwomen identifying as?

As Miranda Yardley* once said, ‘a woman is not a feeling inside a man’s head’

*Maybe it wasn’t Mir but I can’t be arsed to google and he won’t be offended if I’m wrong.

Yep my profoundly dyspraxic DS is really enjoying secondary PE despite being utterly rubbish at it. They are settled and he is in the bottom set (not what they call it but it is what it is) his effort and progress are praised, his teachers are supportive and he is nowhere near the macho alpha sports boys who would look down on him for not being able to catch.

Fucking marvellous

You do understand that girls schools do football and other context sports? And some girls are always picked last? And some girls find PE utterly awful.

It isn't a unique experience to you based on your identity. Most kids feel the same way. Sorry - you're not special. You're experience was big standard.

“The whole point is that trans women DO have what you refer to as "lady brains" in male bodies. That's what makes us trans.”

But you don’t have a lady brain neither do I neither does my mum or my daughter or my aunt. We have human brains in our female sexed bodies. Our brains are human brains because we are human. That’s it. The rest of the stuff you are saying is male/female is based on personality.

I can not understand why you would want to think you are a woman when you think so little of women. You are taking the most awful sexist stereotypes and saying that is how all women are.

Surely no one is genuinely daft enough to think this "I can't understand why any female would be interested in participating in such a thing."

You don't think OP identifies as a TW solely based on the fact that they didn't like contact sport at school?

Brilliant 😂

my knowledge on this subject is very limited

You don't say....

I can't claim the credit for coming up with it.

The whole point is that trans women DO have what you refer to as "lady brains" in male bodies. That's what makes us trans.

Oh don't be so silly. You have a man's brain. The definition of a man's brain is just a brain that is in the body of a male-born person. It doesn't mean a brain that likes manly things. It is literally impossible to have a woman’s brain in a man's body or vice versa.

“lady brain”

No such thing. My female brain in my female body made me like maths, science, competitive sport, adventure stories and action movies. When the time came it made me feel broody, so I had two children and raised and nurtured them.

If anyone thinks they’re “trans”, it’s not down to having one of these weird brains that mysteriously generate suspiciously stereotypical behaviours wrongly associated with the opposite sex.

It's a man's view of womanhood. That's all.

Tedious sexism, really.