Woman's Hour want to know what would make you vote Labour

[WinterTrees]

Today's programme (Tuesday Oct 10th) in case anyone wants to get in touch.

The question is 'what do Labour have to do to get your vote?'

Hear hear - this very eloquently sets out exactly how I feel.

No, it was a bloke, who threw glitter over him. Some kind of crisis he was shouting about. He was dragged out.
Starmer now talking, literally, with a bit of sparkle about him.

A new leader who wasn't either weak, captured or both and considered women's rights equal to trans people's. Zero tolerance for misogyny in the party membership.

I thought it was odd no one brought this up. I assume Womans Hour were screening questions as Rachel Reeves didn't want to answer questions on women's rights. In which case, no Labour won't get my vote if they can't be honest and upfront.

I just logged on to listen. He opened his big important speech by slagging off the opposition in such a lazy, stupid way - big fucking bantz. 'I feel sorry for Manchester for hosting that circus last week.' 'Liz Truss - I think we'd have been better off with the lettuce.'

I am SO SICK of political leaders that act like Year 5s at playtime, or teenagers showing off and picking on other kids for laughs. I want integrity, proper engagement with difficult issues, grown up leadership, wisdom, creative joined-up thinking, common sense (as well as someone who understands biology.) It seems like an impossible dream.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-economy-grows-02-q2-2023-2023-09-29/#:~:text=LONDON%2C%20Sept%2029%20(Reuters),official%20data%20released%20on%20Friday.

And yet this article puts us ahead of France and Germany who can do no wrong on MN. Weird eh?

www.share-talk.com/uk-is-projected-to-have-the-lowest-economic-growth-in-g7-next-year/

Today's news

@MissPettigrewIsWFH That's next year. Forecasts are often inaccurate.

Still not bloody great is it?? I want any political party to be putting solid plans in lace for dealing with real issues, not playing at reactionary politics for cheap gains.

I never said it was. And agree with the sentiment of your post.

I'm watching Starmer's speech and it's actually so sad.

I want Labour to fix everything. I want them to be good. I want to be able to vote for them.

But ...

I see David Lammy who called us dinosaurs.
I see Wes Streeting who joined a group to expel women from the party.
I see Jess Philips who said the spousal exit clause was 'awful'.

I just see a load of people up there who after masses of effort, time and strife from brave and committed women, are grudgingly going to pretend for a short time that they vaguely care, in the hope we'll vote for them.

Oh, a rehearsed standing ovation for a weak line. Goodness me. Why is he covered in glitter? I wish you were better, Labour.

TRA?

lol at sparkle about him

I suspect Labour are trying to identify as removing women having equality, (and homosexual people and disabled people, and child safeguarding and multi cultural/religious tolerance) being a piddling, unimportant distraction that no one's really interested in. Certainly no 'right kind of people'.

Actually he's quite well described the problems with the Tories. 'The walls of Westminster are so high'.

What Labour really need is to develop greater self awareness, though. It's great they can see the problems of others. They need to see their own, too.

'Climate change is an opportunity we can't pass up'? Eh?

'we must bulldoze through [a restrive planning system]'?!

Another standing ovation. Lots of tears in the eyes. I'm sorry, but this lot are high on their own farts.

In the short term, i.e. next election, the growing fear that, if Starmer doesn't win an overall majority, his goose will be cooked and we'll end up with a hung parliament led by Angela Rayner and Ed Davey - that might yet be enough to gain my vote one more time.

I hope that will be the last thing I ever do for them. It's too late for apologies. I don't respect them any more. Basically it's like we're over but we still have to rub along together until the house gets sold.

😂 this made me actually laugh

I can’t bear the voice so you’re updating for the team

'It’s worth noting that Labour’s inability to generate my confidence is a real problem. I - and people like me - show be the low hanging fruit for Labour, if not their natural base of support.

It is simply not that I’ve gone all right wing as I’ve entered my 40s or whatever. I don’t find myself more supportive of Conservative Party policy. It’s that labour seem to have been determined to find every single possible way to alienate me.

There are a lot of women like me out there'

You've got one right here. I am never ever voting Tory. What they've done to the country is fucking shameful. I would absolutely LOVE to vote Labour, and to do so with great enthusiasm. I WANT to like Keir Starmer - he seems like a decent person with a good brain in his head, and a world away from Boris Johnson

But there's just no way. Half-arsed policies about tooth brushing and 'common law' marriage - please. And my god have they got some fence-mending to do on women's rights, and they don't even realise it. I'm sick of Keir Starmer's fucking paternalistic shite about 'both sides' and 'very difficult issues'. They were prepared to make utter arses of themselves on the trans issue because it suited the way the wind was blowing at the time. How pathetic. They are damn sure not getting my vote, without some very serious changes

But according to labour, women’s rights is not an issue for voters. Nobody brings it up on the doorstep or contacts their local MP.

🙉

Labour are lying.

Not even Satan himself would make me vote for Labour.

Literally nothing on Heven or Earth, categorically nothing would make me cast a voter for the party that gammon faced, odious, tory-lite cuckolded little man heads.

He can't even define what a woman is. Why would I want him in charge of anything?

To be clear: the two party system is shit - if you had the chance to vote in the referendum to change our voting system and chose not to, you're a prick and part of the issue - and Labour and the Tories are both gross. Same as each other, just different in minor ways. Nothing between them whatsoever.

Nothing will make me vote Labour, if they can't summon the guts to deal with gender ideology how can they deal with any other important issue?

That said, they won't get in in my area anyway where it's a straight Lib Dem/Con fight.

Old thread but worth reviving imo.

My current MP is Mary Robinson, a Tory. I live in a Tory/LD marginal. I've emailed her a couple of times regarding <gestures wildly> all this. Never heard back from her. We have never been canvassed. I haven't the foggiest idea where she stands on this issue.

Define a woman accurately and guarantee unequivocally, safe spaces for women & girls.

Publish an intelligent policy around house building that does not build on green field sites/farm land and forces developers to use brown field sites first.

" 'we must bulldoze through [a restrive planning system]'?!" Idiots !

Publish an intelligent policy for UK agriculture. We have a food crisis in the making and Labour is sleep walking us into it.