Labour will make it easier for people to change their gender

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... a report by Labour’s National Policy Forum, to be voted on tomorrow, says: ‘The process of gender recognition is intrusive, outdated and humiliating. ‘Labour will modernise, simplify and reform the gender recognition law to a new process, taking into account international evidence of what works.’

Experts said that the wording of the policy paved the way for the removal of the current need for doctors to sign off a change in gender.

Equalities Minister Kemi Badenoch said: ‘Labour backed self-ID for five years because it’s what they really believe. A policy that endangers women and girls.

‘This policy document shows they haven’t changed their minds. We should all be worried about their real plans if they’re ever in government.’

https://manchestermag.com/labour-will-make-it-easier-for-people-to-change-their-gender-rift-opens-between-the-two-main-parties-on-woke-policies-after-rishi-sunak-declares-a-woman-is-a-woman

I think this is basically this article in the Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/08/kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-labour-election-gender-trans/ which can be read by going to https://archive.ph and pasting in the Telegraph link above.

So they're dropping self-ID in favour of issuing a GRC through a process of ermm....... self identification? Is that correct?

Still amazed at how people get wound up on this. We already have self ID in effect from the quality act gender reassignment category of 2010.

All this would do is change a birth certificate which no-one practically uses in day to day life. And thus why few trans bother for a GRA certificate.

The EA also has the ability to separate trans people for a legitimate means.

Peeps getting wound up over things that already exist in effect today.

Time for a new hobby area!

It is true that we already have de facto self id because no one is allowed to ask to see a GRC or disclose that someone has one.

In practice any man who says he is a woman must be taken at his word as with any woman who says she is a man.

The way forward to sort this mess out is to clarify that the EA refers to sex and not gender identity and to repeal the GRA.

Laws should be based on objective, observable, immutable sex and and not subjective, invisible, changeable feelings.

Labour is extremely unlikely to restore women’s rights.

I'm even more amazed that posters who aren't even interested in the topic and think it's a big nothing spend so much time on threads like this.

Anyway I think the point is that Labour made a big show of stepping back from legislating for self ID and yet it's looking like all they're actually planning to change is the language.

Why don't you go and get one then, instead of trolling us here.

This would become a woke hell country with Labour. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

So according to you, a GRC is practically useless.

Do you agree then that it's time to scrap the GRA?

I'm amazed at how the Labour party and SNP have made this such a priority. Instead of trying to change the GRA to make it easier for anyone to get one, they could just scrap it altogether and everyone would be happy.

while continuing to support the implementation of the 2010 Equality Act, including its provision for single-sex exemptions

How?

Ha yes

I am just so fed up of the lack of ambition when it comes to women’s rights. I just feel like we are constantly begging for scraps - and scraps is all we get.

A French Equality watchdog recently found that 90% of pornographic content online features verbal, physical and sexual violence towards women, and a significant amount of violence shown is punishable under existing laws in France. In my opinion pornography is one of the major drivers of misogyny and VAWG.

But instead of working towards the banning of pornography, we’re going to put a plaster on it. The rape, the coercion, the brutalisation of women will still occur, but Labour are going to prevent the algorithms from promoting the harmful content online.

Instead of trying to work towards a society that doesn’t have misogyny ingrained in it’s very fabric, we’re going to
make it a hate crime. Those adults that display misogynistic behaviours will get a telling off. It is a lot easier than trying to tackle the root causes granted, but in 10 years time under these type of policies, women will still be begging for the same scraps.

How the chuff does it need to be made easier to change something WHICH ISN'T REAL?

You can change your gender as easily as you can change the name of your imaginary friend.

Oh.

They don't mean it needs to be made easier to change your gender.

They mean sex, don't they?

Of course, it can't be made easier to change your sex because changing sex is impossible.

So what they actually mean is that it needs to be made easier to force the rest of society to pretend that you are the opposite sex to the one you actually are.

'Do you feel you have the backing of the leadership Rosie?'
...
'No.'

https://twitter.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1711444732696543345?s=20

the quality act gender reassignment category of 2010.
If you are going to quote The Law, in attempt to sound important and knowledgeable, do try and Google twice.

This is just bollocks.
HTH.

As far as I can make out, all the policies quoted in the Labour Policy Forum document are now policy, except when a group raises an objection or puts forward an alternative policy. (eg some Trade Unions want HS2 reinstated but Labour "policy" is no, and I think the TUs won a vote)

But this comes back to how democratic are any Party policies, and I think Labour long ago dropped the mass voting on polities etc..

So I would if there was an opportunity to put forward something more explicit both in relation to VAW and in relation to conversion therapy.

But of course even if there was an alternative policy it isn't likely that any ad hoc groupping would happen with the Labour Party being the way it is.

And I'm afraid in terms of the general public they have been fed Tory lite policies (I loved - ugh - this quote that Labour will develope whole new towns reflecting Georgian architecture). They seem to be going all out not to frightened disgruntled tories to get their vote. And now the Rachel Reeves has got the vote of the head of capitalist finances they will be even more "acceptable" that before.

And no, sad as it is, I dont think Labour will lose many votes over not supporting women's sex based rights.

Although I hear Starmer did get sprinkled with glitter - but not even about trans rights but - quite rightly - lack of democracy.

Look forward to 10 years of centralised government under Labour.

Gay conversion therapy ban

Labour would introduce a ban on gay conversion therapy that would include protections for <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/cwdtM/inews.co.uk/topic/transgender-rights?ico=in-line_link" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">transgender people, the party announced.

Shadow Women and Equalities Minister <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/cwdtM/inews.co.uk/news/politics/anneliese-dodds-labour-indignities-trans-people-womens-spaces-2528235?ico=in-line_link" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Anneliese Dodds said the party would bring forward a “no loopholes” ban on the practice – which is when people attempt to supress someone’s sexuality or gender identity.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/every-policy-announced-labour-conference-keir-starmer-speech-2678248