Trans discussions in New Zealnd

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NZadultwoman · 08/10/2023 19:34

Hi mums,
I am and immigrant to NZ from Africa. Lived here for 14 years. Always been pretty impressed with NZ until the last few years.
I am truly amazed at the lack of public discourse surrounding the trans ideology in this land. The level of public silenecing is astounding. I live in Wellington which is arguably the most radical left of the whole country. Major issues like allowing trans woman into female prisons were NEVER discussed publicly. The vast majority of people have no idea it's in law. Generally, people are terrified to speak up least they be washed with the evil "bigot" or worse, "unkind" brush. The youth (and especially the youth in academia and the arts) are the the most affected. This all became painfully obvious when I recently qhen back home to see family. The lively debate amonts and with young kids was so refreshing. So, I've immigrated to give my children better opportunities, but I have to question whether sacrificing their opptuinities to have open intellectual discourse is sensible. And New Zealanders feel the same?

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Grammarnut · 09/10/2023 20:53

Stephannee · 08/10/2023 21:39

We aren't all mums.

NZ is one of the best countries in the world for LGBT rights. They certainly stand up whenever a bigot wants to enter the country to spread hate.

Has it occurred to you that calling people who do not agree with gender ideology spreaders of hate is a tad bigoted?

Grammarnut · 09/10/2023 21:07

Were you there?

FizzyLemons · 10/10/2023 03:42

NZadultwoman · 09/10/2023 09:23

Wow your experience is completely different to mine. I see about 1 trans teens a week (a guess, but regular enough for it to make a impression) I have met numerous trans adults. I have met a two women who volunteer for "women's group" and when questioned, they said they supported the inclusion of TW. My adult children basically refuse to discuss the topic as it is "violence in words" 🙄 but I haven't seen TW in bathrooms yet. I have seen an A4 poster in a public bathroom advising woman to contact a number if they feel uncomfortable. Like that would be useful after she's been attacked... I know of teachers teaching the gender stuff in intermediate and high schools. And mutterings of it being broached in kindergarten. A friend pulled her kid out of school to home school her. Good call that your kiddo chose a different city. The sexual dating meat market is also a nightmare. Apparently Wellington is known for its caddish sex culture

Maybe it's living in a more provincial area? I do have a couple of friends who work at a uni but neither are GI. It was one of them who told me to do my own research into KJK. My kids seem to have avoided indoctrination at school. Unlike my nephew who started high school this year and in week 1 English was asked to chat to the kid sat next to him and introduce him to the class including his pronouns!! That caused much shock and disbelief through our extended family. Again though, no one thought this was an acceptable thing for 13 year olds to be doing. My younger child is more inclined to tell me 'you can't say that' to whatever shocking thing I have said, not that she disagrees, just that it should not be voiced. My older one is more GC than I am.

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NZadultwoman · 10/10/2023 13:28

Sounds like your daughter is very sensible for her age. I have no doubt that being rural makes a big difference.

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