No man admits to rape Caitlin Moran in The Times

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Depressing but thought provoking. It's an archive link. I think there have been interviews with admitted rapists but there is a massive gap. It's great and laudable to want to improve conviction rates and better support victims but prevention is better than cure. The problem is most rapists go unpunished and I can't see a #yeahme getting much engagement, except perhaps as a wank bank.

https://archive.ph/Vp9og

Jesus, why does Caitlin Moran keep writing about things that have been around forever like she is the first to discover them? It’s teenage behaviour.

Because it hasn't been fixed and when women try to talk about it, the conversation immediately switches to NAMALT?
Because you can't even find a guesstimate of how many men are like that?
Because rape is talked about a bit like its an unexplained disaster that befalls the victim, rather than an act a rapist chooses to take?

Because she's on to a good thing and making money out of it.

Have their been any studies that talked to rapists. Although with the inevitable lies, deflections and minimisation I dread to think of the bucket of salt you'd need with any data.

I've vague memories of an evaluation of a sex offenders programme that was run in prisons and it reported that the prisoners acquired better manipulation and deception skills.

The MoJ Civil Servant who did the evaluation was subject to some consequences at work and ended up at an employment tribunal.

Found it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48683296

http://probationmatters.blogspot.com/2019/10/moj-and-sotp-fiasco.html

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3610304-An-Academic-Said-She-Was-Bullied-At-The-Ministry-Of-Justice-After-Revealing-It-Was-Running-A-Programme-That-Made-Sex-Offenders-More-Likely-To-Reoffend

As a mother of teenage girls, neither of whom has been on a date yet, I feel even more worried reading this.
Also thinking back to my own first boyfriend who was very manipulative and coercive.
I do think many boys and men think of boundary pushing as the normal dynamic between the sexes. If I had sons this is what I would be talking about with them. I chose my husband partly because he has never exhibited this behaviour at all, and after my first experience I was really afraid of men who are pushy as a modus operandi.
The crossing of boundaries seems to be something that many men see as normal , from the very beginnings of dating or interacting with girls, they push for more than the girl is comfortable with. I think this needs unpicking more in school, and both sexes need to see it for what it is. There are very many men out there who choose not to think too closely about their behaviour around women.
Caitlin Moran saying that none of the men she knows are capable of rape is just ridiculous. They don’t come with badges.

@RethinkingLife I remember something similar, psycho/sociopaths were put on a course that they referred to as a 'finishing school'. Long time ago and may have been in the States. I suspect it was meant to teach them empathy but just instructed them in what buttons to push.

That old thread is a bit of a ride. The woman who blew the whistle was arrested in 2019 for sex offences against a schoolboy. It seems she wasn't prosecuted or released from charges for at least 2 years (during which she substantially lost a case against HMRC, her then employer, for data protection breaches). I can't find anything after that, was she guilty, innocent, still waiting, who knows? Not helped that searches bring up lots of irrelevant Katie Hopkins stuff.

I don't know much about Caitlin Moran. I think this article might be the only by her that I've read.

I love Moran’s sitcom, especially the mum character, Della.

Not so keen on her choosey-choice B right on ‘feminism’

Her book "how to be a woman" is great

I don't think she is "choosy choice" - she seems quite aligned with rad fem views from what I've read and seen.

Really hate this critique of women as "not the right kind of feminist" while the male media owners carry on unhindered in their promotion of patriarchy

There is no ‘right kind’ of anything.

Della is probably a Radfem, but Moran’s self insert is the boy-crazy Germaine:

Engaging critically with someone’s ideas and behaviour is not ‘deciding she’s the wrong kind of feminist’ though.

Particularly criticising the arguments she makes. Critical engagement is positive.

or are we only allowed to affirm and champion people (if they’re in our gang)?

Is this flip side of the ‘how could you possibly agree with them - they’re bad, right wing people’ stance?

we must always, on principal argue against the wrong types of people. But never do anything but celebrate the ones that are part of our group ( feminists).

Either way it feels like: how dare you think about the content of any argument and form your own opinion.

There are lots of posters implying she's poorly educated, self centred, etc
E.g.
"out of touch complacent male-focussed faux feminist who has nothing of relevance to say"

This is not "critiquing her ideas". This is being personal because people don't like her. And it happens to women all the time and is a bit galling to see on a feminist board.

Are any male columnists writing about how many men are rapists? Didn't think so....

Or this one:
Caitlin Moran no longer has anything interesting to write about, her opinion of herself is too high, and she is lazy

Pisses me off. Comes across as "woman has opinions, dares to write them in a paper needs taking down a peg or two"

People pulling her up on the "I'd stake my life..." sentence, fair enough
But then I've had a pasting on here for saying that I wouldn't automatically disbelieve a woman if she accused my son of rape, implying I'm some sort of man hating shit mother. I can imagine the flack she gets for that column. So I don't really blame her for taking an easier path, in that sense.

It is she who says she is poorly educated. She writes at great length and repeatedly about being ‘home-schooled’, but not actually taught anything.

People who have had no formal education past primary school tend to lack the type of critical reasoning skills that education teaches.