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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sex Offenders to be Banned from Changing Name and Gender

50 replies

IcakethereforeIam · 03/10/2023 01:16

Article in the Times, it has been archived.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-sex-offenders-detection-change-name-fsctkkmjt

The journalist gets the name of the Act wrong. From a quick read I'm not sure if this will apply just to England or if it will be retroactive.

Suella Braverman to ban sex offenders from changing name and gender

Suella Braverman will announce today a lifetime ban on sex offenders changing their name and gender in an attempt to close a loophole that is allowing crimin

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-sex-offenders-detection-change-name-fsctkkmjt

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Pixiedust1234 · 03/10/2023 01:20

😱

They really need to start getting these policies locked down before the GE otherwise it's just hot air...but I'm liking how they are openly discussing this and the NHS bed problem.

UtopiaPlanitia · 03/10/2023 01:48

For those without a Times subscription, here’s an archived version of the article:

https://archive.ph/aKFmI

Pixiedust1234 · 03/10/2023 01:53

Thank you @UtopiaPlanitia

Between January 2019 and June 2022, there were almost 12,000 prosecutions against people on the sex offence register who failed to alert authorities about a change in their personal information.
Holy fcuk!! 😱

Apollo441 · 03/10/2023 02:27

I wonder if this apply retrospectively? I can think of someone who has made extensive use of this to hide their past child sexual abuse.

SmokedCheese · 03/10/2023 02:29

This seems very sensible in regards to safeguarding vulnerable people and children.

people are rightly entitled to dress however and use whatever nicknames they like so lots of personal freedom still

Does new legislation mean a formal route to official gender reassignment, through professional recognition of gender dysphoria, enabling markers on records.

NumberTheory · 03/10/2023 04:30

Pixiedust1234 · 03/10/2023 01:20

😱

They really need to start getting these policies locked down before the GE otherwise it's just hot air...but I'm liking how they are openly discussing this and the NHS bed problem.

According to the article:
The campaign for an outright ban has had cross-party support.
So hopefully, even if the Tories don’t finalize it before the election, it will come in regardless.

BettyFilous · 03/10/2023 05:52

All the more reason to stick with the current GRC process and timelines, not quickie self-ID, as it will reduce the likelihood of Prison Onset Gender Dysphoria name/gender changes.

FigRollsAlly · 03/10/2023 09:29

Pixiedust1234 · 03/10/2023 01:53

Thank you @UtopiaPlanitia

Between January 2019 and June 2022, there were almost 12,000 prosecutions against people on the sex offence register who failed to alert authorities about a change in their personal information.
Holy fcuk!! 😱

And this is just the number of people who’ve been caught and prosecuted so how many are still successfully under the radar? A change in personal information could mean a change of address and/or a change of name but either way it’s shocking how easy it seems to be to get around the current safeguards, such as they are.

dimorphism · 03/10/2023 09:32

It is astounding this was EVER allowed. It seems a basic safeguarding measure to not allow name / pretend sex change for convicted sex offenders.

TrailingLoellia · 03/10/2023 09:33

I personally think all criminals convicted of any violent or sexual offence should be banned from changing their names. Think of all the domestically violent, rapists, and murderers- they often come out and change their name and then their new partners/neighbours have no idea what sort of person they are.

It’s chilling when a parent who has killed their child gets out, changes their name gets in a new relationship, has another child/or now has stepchildren and then that new or step child is abused.

Boiledbeetle · 03/10/2023 09:40

Details from other government agencies including HMRC, Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) HM Passport Office and the DVLA will be merged with the Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS).

Any change in a known sex offender’s details on any of those government agencies will alert the DBS and they will face prosecution, government sources told The Times.

Don't tell me they've realised that joined up thinking actually makes more sense!!

FizzyWizard · 03/10/2023 09:43

FigRollsAlly · 03/10/2023 09:29

And this is just the number of people who’ve been caught and prosecuted so how many are still successfully under the radar? A change in personal information could mean a change of address and/or a change of name but either way it’s shocking how easy it seems to be to get around the current safeguards, such as they are.

It can mean a change in relationship status too.

The government funding probation properly would be a really good start. Funding fell 40% from 2003 - 2019. I support the proposal to prevent name changes but it needs to be monitored / enforceable, otherwise the govt is just saying "we are going to rely on a group of people who have demonstrably broken the law in the past complying with a new law we're introducing."

Illegallyblonder · 03/10/2023 09:56

I really hope this happens, it seems mad that it's ever been allowed

Dramatico · 03/10/2023 09:59

FINALLY!! I mean, what took them so long. This is such a basic, basic thing. Of COURSE released sex offenders are going to adopt new identities in order to continue their crimes.

Amongst the transwomen estate in prisons, sex offenders are significantly overrepresented, even compared with other non trans-pretending men.

I do hope that Labour eases the passage of this into law as I feel sure they will win the next GE.

PositanoBay · 03/10/2023 10:02

They just change gender instead

Highandlows · 03/10/2023 10:06

Amazing! Great news!

IcakethereforeIam · 03/10/2023 10:06

It'll be difficult for Labour to argue against it, think of the optics!? Ditto the law against men in women's wards/care. Even kicking it into the long grass would look bad if the press picked it up.

I think it's different to when it was tried to make this a condition of the Scottish GRR. This stands alone and applies to all demonstrably bad people, not just stigmatising the...ahem... 'most marginalised and vulnerable™️'

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Dramatico · 03/10/2023 10:12

IcakethereforeIam · 03/10/2023 10:06

It'll be difficult for Labour to argue against it, think of the optics!? Ditto the law against men in women's wards/care. Even kicking it into the long grass would look bad if the press picked it up.

I think it's different to when it was tried to make this a condition of the Scottish GRR. This stands alone and applies to all demonstrably bad people, not just stigmatising the...ahem... 'most marginalised and vulnerable™️'

Yes I think Labour have finally got their head screwed on on this issue, well at least Kier does, maybe not all his front bench though.

I'm a big fan of Kier I think he's now in touch with what the average voter thinks about this.

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2023 10:38

From RIPnutmeg on Twitter:

'- The First Minister of Wales wants to change the law on self ID, which will make it easier for sex offenders to change their identities

  • His son is a convicted rapist who was sent back to jail this summer
  • His son has entirely changed his name'

https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1709126062355923265

Mark Drakeford's son story here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66272183

Jonathan Drakeford

Welsh first minister's rapist son breaches sex offender orders

Jay Humphries was on licence when he used an unapproved name on the Fab Guys social site.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66272183

Needmoresleep · 03/10/2023 10:47

The ability to change your name and hide a previous identity was always mad, but happened when the whole push was never questioned and it seemed accepted that "deadnaming" was a sin.

(Back five years I remember Malta being celebrated as a pioneer of self-id, even though cynics suggested it might be down to shady financiers wanting to hide dodgy pasts by adopting a new identity.)

Absolutely right this needs to be changed. A positive sign that the Stonewall lobbying line is no longer being swallowed wholesale and there is increasing acceptance that the detail needs to be looked at to ensure that the rights and safety of women and girls is not compromised.

IncomingTraffic · 03/10/2023 10:58

Boiledbeetle · 03/10/2023 09:40

Details from other government agencies including HMRC, Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) HM Passport Office and the DVLA will be merged with the Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS).

Any change in a known sex offender’s details on any of those government agencies will alert the DBS and they will face prosecution, government sources told The Times.

Don't tell me they've realised that joined up thinking actually makes more sense!!

It will likely never happen or work effectively if it’s premised on cross-government cooperation and efficient information sharing. Just be mired in red tape forever.

It’s unbelievable how many barriers departments put in place to avoid having to act like other departments are not ‘the enemy’.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the legal advice on any attempt to do this turns out to be that it’s not ok to do discriminate against sex criminals who want to transition without significant changes to existing legislation.

Thelnebriati · 03/10/2023 11:04

After the flurry of announcements I have to wonder who's reading this board.
<waves>

lechiffre55 · 03/10/2023 11:13

IcakethereforeIam · 03/10/2023 10:06

It'll be difficult for Labour to argue against it, think of the optics!? Ditto the law against men in women's wards/care. Even kicking it into the long grass would look bad if the press picked it up.

I think it's different to when it was tried to make this a condition of the Scottish GRR. This stands alone and applies to all demonstrably bad people, not just stigmatising the...ahem... 'most marginalised and vulnerable™️'

What you say makes logical sense but don't forget Kier said "it's wrong to say only women have a cervix". I think Labour has realised that some of thier views are batshit crazy and a kryptonite to voters but I believe Labour still believes the crazy even if they are toning things down a bit.
I still don't trust Labour on "what is a woman"?
Take the great news on hospital wards no longer being mixed sex for example. It feels like a victory for common sense, but part of me strongly fears that some idiot is going to say "this person has a bit of papaer that says they are female even though they have a cock, so they belong on the female ward".

I hope you're right, but I still don't trust Labour on this, I believe they are still captured. No one has apologised to Rosie Duffield for how she's been treated. There is no genuine clear change of heart in Labour like there was over anti-semitism. To me it seems an exercise in sweeping things under the carpet, out of sight is out of mind.

Lottapianos · 03/10/2023 11:22

'I hope you're right, but I still don't trust Labour on this, I believe they are still captured. No one has apologised to Rosie Duffield for how she's been treated. There is no genuine clear change of heart in Labour like there was over anti-semitism.'

Totally agree. It's GREAT news that there has been an outbreak of sanity on this issue and about female only wards, but like others I will believe it when I see it. I'm sick to death of Keir Starmer's high handed paternalistic bullshit on this issue - bleating about wanting 'more light than heat' while also telling people off for stating biological reality. He doesn't get to have his cake and eat it on this issue

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