15yo girl stabbed in London

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I cannot see another thread in FWR, apols if there is.

Apalling example of violence against girls. The limited news coverage suggests her assailant had tried to give her flowers before attacking her.

Not sure what I want from this thread - just mourning a young girl whose future is gone.

He left home with flowers AND a knife. It was premeditated. He knew exactly what he would do if he didn't get the answer that he wanted. To chalk this up to just another knife crime story that were already becoming far too desensitised to is dangerous and incorrect. It absolutely is VAWG and needs to be addressed as such.

I'm really lost for words on this.

Male violence is a pandemic which has various strains. Every time, people say this is a watershed moment and things will have to change, but nothing ever does.

RIP Elianne

It is very difficult to see people immediately go down the knife crime narrative with this story. Knife crime is an issue in London, in Croydon, we know this. But the moment we focus only on that aspect of this story and ignore that fact that there is very dangerous ideology at the heart of this, we do this poor child and her family a massive disservice. I know what people think when they hear knife crime, London, Croydon. They stop caring. We cannot afford to let that happen.

I agree Bombastic.

Until a month ago my daughter lived in Croydon. She actually felt very safe there, safer than when she lived in the supposedly nicer Ealing for example (where she often followed home from the station by men). But Croydon has a certain reputation of knife crime and gang violence and people have become de-sensitised by it. It wouldn't happen to me, I'm not in a gang etc etc.

We need to ask what is making these males feel and act the way they are, why are they s entitled that they will kill if their advances are rejected, their idea of manhood. Why do our girls have to live with such fear all the time.?

I have no answers, but I am incredibly saddened by what has happened to this young girl who had her whole life ahead of her.

Sorry I don't know what the acronym FWR stands for but I (and I'm pretty sure) bombastic are agreeing that people should not stop caring about knife crime, whatever the motives.

This exactly. Two things can be true. The moment we remove one element of truth, people stop caring about the other 😔

This. Male entitlement to women is the crux of why we still need feminism.

It's heartbreaking. This poor girl was trying to protect her friend. 😢

Of course he couldn't foresee this particular crime, but sadly people getting stabbed in London is not unusual and the mayor surely does bear some responsibility for not doing more about that. A preponderance of violent assaults and murders is a political issue. But I'm an ULEZ supporter; it's not either/or.

That beautiful girl -what a terrible loss. Her poor family.

All because a boy could not be told no.

Agree.

Also support ULEZ but no fan of Khan. He sacked Joan Smith from her advisory position on violence against women and girls. Joan is really important because she has researched the link between domestic violence and terrorism. But she also doesn't pretend that some males are not males.

I don't for a second believe Khan really thinks TWAW but he clearly thinks appeasing those that do is more important than in depth research on the links between misogyny and violent extremism.

IMO this is more than just knife crime. This is the pervasive male entitlement, encouraged by social media, that women and girls exist to be used by men in any way that men want. Whether to satisfy lust, power, domestic servitude or validating their fetish. It doesn't matter which, if the female does not comply she deserves to be raped or killed.
My heart breaks for that poor girl and her family and friends.

The boy has been charged.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66942594

I have found that I have to force myself to read these articles about teenaged girls being attacked. It is horrific and so hard to read.

Out in 4 or 5 years? Under 18 and manslaughter. It may actually have been murder, but I'm guessing they will not convict for that.

Apparently UK law only needs to show intention of GBH for murder, so maybe they are successful in getting a murder conviction. I still wouldn't be surprised if it ends up as manslaughter.

Yes, a lot of violence against women is described along the lines of he only did it because she wouldn't do what he wanted.

Once you realise this it's so hard not to see how often it is applied

Deliberately stabbing someone in the neck with a machete should never count as "manslaughter".

The MSM will only focus on young people and knife crime. They won't even consider the rest of it because it is too much to acknowledge.

That young man went out with a bunch of flowers and a knife. What more symbolism do we need? Chilling.

There is a "diminished responsibility" defence available in theory I think, which could get you manslaughter.

If the teen that did it has any kind of relevant medical issue that they can use... I'm purely guessing but I think they will try to argue that he didn't fully understand what he was doing.