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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Medical discrimination against cisgender men and women

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PorcelinaV · 26/09/2023 13:12

This is something that worries me, as it appears that there may be an institutional medical bias and discrimination against cisgender men and women.

At one point with hormone use for trans people, we were talking about a serious mental health issue and gender dysphoria. So that distress then justified major interventions like surgery and cross sex hormones.

But now, they seem to have lowered the bar, and e.g. non binary people that aren't even supposed to be suffering from mental illness (debatable going off some TikToks), are being, "helped in affirming their gender".

https://www.gendergp.com/non-binary-hormone-use/

OK, so if you have lowered the bar that much, why aren't they also helping cisgender men and women to "affirm their gender"?

Cisgender males could want testosterone for building muscle. That's tied up with their gender identity and gender expression for sure.

That's also true for some cisgender women. It would be a stereotype to think that muscle and strength are only for cisgender men.

Neither can we think that a woman who does that would have to be, "non binary". Of course it can also be part of the gender expression for cisgender women who don't have to conform to traditional gender roles or expectations.

However, I think the best case here, on health grounds, is adult cisgender males.

If your lifestyle involves healthy eating, cardio, weight training, and you were to take limited amounts of testosterone to help you with that, then the risks may not be too high.

(We aren't talking about the black market very high dosage drug cocktails, multiple drugs, taken by some pro bodybuilders here, which is unquestionably dangerous.)

So what I'm thinking, is that it's likely going to be safer to give testosterone to cisgender adult males, than to give it to "non binary" biological females.

So if it's safer, why wouldn't they want to help the cisgender males with their gender expression, if they are willing to help non binary people with gender expression?

Hormone Use for Non-Binary People

Key information about hormone options available for non-binary people. HRT may be used by non-binary people on a regular basis.

https://www.gendergp.com/non-binary-hormone-use

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MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 28/09/2023 23:21

TrailingLoellia · 28/09/2023 22:17

If you want all the free NHS treatment by identifying as trans, you are welcome to run to your GP and get on the waitlist for an initial gender clinic consult. It’s only a 5 year wait so super duper easy to access.

I waited (by which I mean begged and pleaded) more than 5 years for the doctor to agree to the blood tests that diagnosed my medical issues. Including pcos which they have done precisely fuck all about. I don't mind waiting 5 more to tell them I identify as a TW so I can get free facial hair removal.

NewNameforanOldLady · 28/09/2023 23:30

TrailingLoellia · 28/09/2023 22:17

If you want all the free NHS treatment by identifying as trans, you are welcome to run to your GP and get on the waitlist for an initial gender clinic consult. It’s only a 5 year wait so super duper easy to access.

So quicker than the wait for a hip replacement for someone in severe pain and unable to walk. Quicker than mental health support for children, particularly those awaiting assessment for autism. Women generally wait at least that long for diagnosis and treatment for a number of painful, debilitating gynaecological conditions.
This is the NHS we are talking about. Everybody has to wait.

ManuelBensonsLeftBoot · 28/09/2023 23:47

This is the NHS we are talking about. Everybody has to wait.

Yes but this is the special people, the chosen ones they should be able to click their high heels (because that's what women wear) and get what they want, because they are special (and brave and stunning and much more important than sad old fashioned natal women who aren't at all fabulous).

Bosky · 29/09/2023 00:35

Yep. Narcissism on (endogenous) steroids.

PorcelinaV · 29/09/2023 02:12

Bosky · 28/09/2023 22:42

There are some loopholes for those determined to exploit them:

https://www.medicalprotection.org/uk/articles/expert-advice-for-gps-treating-transgender-patients

That is interesting.

I understand why people would want to get faster treatment, but prescribing to someone because they have self prescribed?

I guess they give methadone to people that have "self prescribed" but that's not quite the same thing.

Personally I'm more on the side of, if the (adult) patient isn't trying to do anything insane, then maybe just let them sign a disclaimer for it.

For example, if a med isn't licensed for the purpose in the UK, but is licensed for the purpose elsewhere, it's likely not unreasonable that a patient might want it. Although the NHS also has medication costs to consider.

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