Freda Wallace on now

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Isla Mac is hosting Freda on twitter live now (8pm)

Freda's been on for 5 mins and is already breaking the rules. Sarah Philamore is speaking sense. These two things might be linked.

Good luck, Freda. You might need it.

Also, the men had been told to stop talking about Henrietta who wasn't, for obvious reasons, part of the chat. They ignored that, 2 of them just stomped their metaphorical white steeds around and one of them goaded.

I think Isla did a good job, but next time I'd have more than one admin. I'll volunteer to do the mute button.

It is likely... there is photographic evidence of those who seem to want to fulfil the 'suck trans dick' mantra.

I got to the part where Wallace declared that in the Irish pub a bloke asked if Wallace had a penis and if the breasts were real and Wallace considered that to be misogyny because Wallace assumed that bloke thought Wallace was a woman. errrrr... no. It is the exact opposite. But that twitter space was a great view into the machinations of Wallace's mind and how they view so much.

FUCK! I am listening to Wallace telling the world that sending a pic that implies someone fellating another person is just part of what you should expect if you are on twitter. That tagging someone into such an image is just normal.

I agree stealth

The twists and turns to get the linguist outcome is really scarily fascinating.

You really didn't miss much. This Freda was talking absolute rubbish and I felt embarrassed for Freda. The other debaters against Freda were amazing.

Only five mins in, but what nonsense! Made up, self justifying, self deluding nonsense.

Reading this thread, but not having listened yet, I do wonder whether Freda has an under-developed Theory of Mind where Freda is unable to understand that just because someone says something to or about Freda doesn't necessarily mean that all those people mean it and believe it. You'd have to understand this first to even proceed to consider what those reasons might possibly be.

Like every single time there is a 'debate' of this nature, it's utterly embarrassing and cringe from the trans side. I'm remembering that absolute car crash of India W vs Sharron Davies on swimming 😂😂

I'm just over an hour in.

#letthemspeak is going well so far.

And Sarah is sounding justifiably annoyed at the twerpiness of some statements coming out of someones uninformed mouth.

2 hours in and I have an image in my head.

God that was sooooo long!

And nothing of actual substance came out of one side of the conversation.

But fair play Freda stuck it out.

I gave up at trans frogs

Freda interrupts constantly.

Interrupting women is commonly male trait.

No substance to Freda's argument. Kept saying "that doesn't happen" to people saying their experience of exactly what is happening.

Freda seems to know so many people and stories to go off on tangent instead of answering the questions.

Just a ridiculous person. Arrogant. Ignorant. Entitled selfish person

Sarah was mighty in her rage. She took no prisoners!

I've had a post deleted. I can only assume it's because we're not allowed to use pronouns that correspond to a person's sex on here. Sad really.

This person sent unsolicited porn pics of themself to a severely disabled young woman because she expressed the wish to be provided with same sex intimate care.

Freda denied this. Said the photos were staged so it's not porn and not offensive.....

Was wondering why this thread was a bit Swiss cheesy. Pronouns! Should have realised. I haven't been able to watch, like pp I just get the sign into X screen. Fair enough to FW for turning up. Hope FW doesn't get too much of a backlash from the tras.

#operationletthemspeak.

Oh. So many posts gone. Pronouns are powerful things aren’t they?

Just been catching up on this thread...

So it's pronouns that mean the difference between a post staying or not. OK.

But pronouns aside, this is an interesting justification for the photos. I happened to see four of them and I don't think my eyes will be the same again. Partly because they were so out of place in the thread on Twitter. It was a conversation about the Talk TV interview, with Rosanna Lockwood (the journalist from the now infamous recent TV interview) also included, and Freda just threw the photos straight in. I've never seen these photos again and I was sort of prepared to accept I had imagined them because I was fairly new to Twitter at the time. I've seen one of the four since, but never the full complement again.
So they were staged.... That sounds very similar to Sarah Jane Baker saying that the "punch a TERF" phrase was just a joke.

Do actual women [the old fashioned [redacted] ones] often mock up posed photos of someone sucking their lady dick?

I do wonder how much time these guys [remember, it means men and women so is a all encompassing term] spend getting posts cancelled that refer to their [redacted] pronouns.

It is all so tedious.

Call a man a man and it is literal violence and will lead to the deaths of many trans people and can lead to the police coming out and telling you off.

But post porn or pretend porn into a thread to threaten a disabled woman, and then also tell her you will go onto her medical records and tinker with it, and nothing happens.

Yes. Pronouns have always lead to deletions when reported. Often calling a man a man too. Hence many of us have peculiar ways to post to get around the issues while maintaining clarity. Including using ‘male’ and ‘female’ when there is no way we would say that in real life unless there was a need for it. Or attempting to maintain clarify anyway.

What these people often forget is the hypocrisy that goes with staging a porn shot that might not be a porn shot, yet the intention is clear. It was intended to portray a porn activity and to threaten/offend a woman by crossing boundaries. It is too often (not always of course) the same though, whether it is a real porn shot or a staged one, they want you to believe it is. But conveniently say, ‘just jokes’ when the rest of society points out it is not acceptable..

Just like they need you to believe other make believe concepts are true.