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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Double Murder Chelmsford

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KvotheTheBloodless · 18/09/2023 19:18

Apparently a woman has been charged with a double murder (parents maybe) - but there are no picture of the accused. Anyone else find this weird, or have I become an overly-suspicious harridan? Violent murder doesn't seem like a female crime...

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RoyalCorgi · 11/10/2024 21:15

I'm not sure why or how one would choose to compare a very small subset of males with all women. It would not be great data because the group "transwomen" is so hard to define, unlike sex. One wouldn't do this with any other subset of males.

It would be quite hard. There are about 600 murders a year in England and Wales. About 90% of those are by men, so in other words there are about 60 murders a year by women. (See: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1221306/homicides-in-england-and-wales-by-gender/)

I'd be surprised if there were more than 60 murders a year by trans-identifying men. Of course no one is gathering the data, so it's hard to be sure. And as you say, how would you define "trans woman"? We know there are men who start identifying as trans after they've been charged, but would have been recorded as men at arrest.

Using news reports, you could identify some individual trans-identifying murderers, but it wouldn't give you a complete picture.

England and Wales homicides by gender 2023 | Statista

Of the 590 recorded homicides in England and Wales in 2022/23, 416 of the victims were male and 174 of the victims were female.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1221306/homicides-in-england-and-wales-by-gender/)

PurpleSparkledPixie · 11/10/2024 21:41

in other words there are about 60 murders a year by women.
Well that depends doesn't it. Scarlet Blake, aka cat killer, had their murder listed under women's crimes despite them being male. Makes you wonder how many others have been listed under our sex.

duc748 · 11/10/2024 22:18

Yes, with stats being compromised (irrevocably?) by this lunacy. Another glorious by-product.

HumanBurrito · 13/10/2024 19:32

There's also a decent case to be made that women are underrepresented historically in murder stats as they (we) use methods and target victim profiles that are harder to detect, e.g. smothering / poisoning infants and frail elderly people. The UK's most prolific mass murderer by far was a woman, Amelia Dyer.

PizzaNinja · 13/10/2024 20:08

HumanBurrito · 13/10/2024 19:32

There's also a decent case to be made that women are underrepresented historically in murder stats as they (we) use methods and target victim profiles that are harder to detect, e.g. smothering / poisoning infants and frail elderly people. The UK's most prolific mass murderer by far was a woman, Amelia Dyer.

Erm…. Harold Shipman?! I’m sure Dyer probably did kill more than the 6 confirmed victims, but you can’t in any definitive way say she was the ‘U.K’s most prolific mass murderer by far’ 🙄

HumanBurrito · 13/10/2024 20:20

Well no, because it was before modern policing and crime stats, and she killed victims who would not be missed (which is kind of my point). But even if her tally was at the lower end of what is generally atttibuted to her it is a far higher number than Shipman. in any case I only mentioned her to illustrate the broader point.

Edit: on a par with Shipman, my bad, i checked the numbers.

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