Double Murder Chelmsford

[KvotheTheBloodless]

Apparently a woman has been charged with a double murder (parents maybe) - but there are no picture of the accused. Anyone else find this weird, or have I become an overly-suspicious harridan? Violent murder doesn't seem like a female crime...

What a bizarre post. Murder is inherently violent.There have been violent female killers. I think if your first thought on reading about a murder is whether the culprit is trans based on absolutely nothing perhaps you're thinking about it way too much and need a break from the internet.

No, just the BBC.

This is a very sad case. I don't live locally any more, but my father worked with this woman's father for many years. They knew each other well and my mum and dad both knew his wife too. We couldn't believe it when we first saw the news.

The daughter is definitely female and was always "troubled". I remember that they had a lot of issues with her when she was growing up. Never imagined for a moment that it would come to this, though. Utterly shocking. And deeply upsetting for my poor old dad.

Huh? There's no BBC article in the thread

The murders took place in june 2019 so way before we heard any rumours about covid.

She's been sentenced today, minimum 36 years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgmglzvnl1yt

Agree. This woman - biological woman - murdered her parents in cold blood. Women have been violent since time immemorial.

This is intriguing. I’ve not heard of this case before today, so has this been answered in any of the other reporting?

perhaps you're thinking about it way too much and need a break from the internet.
The uneasiness can't be helped - the misreporting going on these days is outrageous and some journalists should be ashamed.

It must be so exhausting for people who live like this- looking to try and find something anti trans to rant about in literally every story they read! Tilting at windmills….

The problem is that it is the boy who cried wolf, we have seen too many cases of extreme violence carried out by men who the media have reported are women, so that when a crime is carried out by a woman people are suspicious.

Clear and accurate reporting is important.

No. The problem is people who are so obsessed with trying to find things to blame on trans women that they look for it in every single bad thing that happens in the world.

Hope your dad’s doing ok @VerySadCase.

Funnily accurate reporting of the sex of offenders was not an issue until very recently.

Bit like how women never worried about finding a man in their spaces and sports.

What's changed?

Anyone see the piece on this crime on C4 News tonight? I can't recall previous cases where footage of a suspect being interviewed in custody is shown on the TV news?

I'm commitedly gender critical but I agree and I don't automatically think a female reported in a crime is transgender. That's going a little bit nuts. There are female murderers. Of course it's much rarer - but it's still going to happen.

Could anyone link to a study of the number of murders committed by trans women as opposed to natal women in, say, the last 10 years? I'd be interested to read the stats.

There was a series of very serious crimes of violence reported locally to me recently, where the perp was described as a woman, when infact they were not a woman. So I know it happens, of course I do, but this doesn't make me believe that no woman ever commits serious crimes. I might be a little bit more cautious about the reporting, but not to the point of denial.

Thank you. I think the press coverage today has been very hard for him to watch. I understand why they're showing the videos but I think it's very disturbing for him to see her talking so calmly and coldly about it all. I can't imagine what it must be like for the other family members.

Of course women commit murder. The stats that tell us males commit around 94% of all murders clearly allow for this.

Obviously the odds are that a murderer is male. Men pose a far greater risk of violence to both men and women.

You can be sure the press will report heavily on the 6% of murderers that are actually female, for clicks.

The press has also been shown to be happy to lie about the sex of violent offenders, even when still at large and posing a risk to the public. Better that than to hurt a male's feelings.

Fuck me I cannot believe there are still posters in 2024 that think a man being a transwoman means the violent offending statistics don't apply! I'd love to understand the thought processes you go through.

Seriously though, you want me to pretend sex doesn't matter? Forget the feminists here, you need to go and talk to the lads about stopping all the rape and murder and male entitlement. Come back when you're successful.

Exaggerating, much?

We’ve seen enough reporting on violent women-not-women to make us suspicious of such stories.

Of course there have been violent and murderous women throughout history, though they tend to be remembered because they’re relatively rare.

Forgot the quote for my last post.

@LindorDoubleChoc the comparison is simply men vs women.

No, the problem is a growing trend for men to suddenly discover that they're trans and self-identify as women after being charged with a crime, and the media happily going along with their newly discovered identity.

The media can easily make the distinction by saying "male charged etc". Even reporting on gender at time of arrest would eradicate most of the false reporting.

This is why trust in the media is at an all time low.

Could anyone link to a study of the number of murders committed by trans women as opposed to natal women in, say, the last 10 years? I'd be interested to read the stats.

Males committed around 94% or all murders in the year ending march 2023 according to office for national statistics.

I'm not sure why or how one would choose to compare a very small subset of males with all women. It would not be great data because the group "transwomen" is so hard to define, unlike sex. One wouldn't do this with any other subset of males.

Of transwomen in prison, it was reported earlier this year that more than 70% are there for sexual and violent offences.

I suspect with the push for self ID, the increasingly violent online rhetoric and the trans umbrella welcoming any old straight dude, pushing for trans specific statistics isn't going to yield results that appease people's concerns.

Most murderers are men, but given the very small percentage of males who are transgender, I would be willing to bet (from what I've seen in the newspapers) that far more women than transwomen are convicted of murder. Virginia McCullough isn't even the only female murderer to be sentenced in the UK today: https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2024/october/carer-jailed-for-murder-of-90-year-old-woman/

There's been at least two very similar threads (regarding Gareeca Gordon and Jemma Mitchell) of women on trial for very violent murders (both stabbed their victims to death, chopped up their bodies and disposed of them in suitcases), where posters were adamant (wrongly) that they must be transwomen, as women don't commit this kind of crime. So it's just a bit silly saying things like 'violent murder doesn't seem like a female crime', particularly as OP posted that just after Lucy Letby became the UK's most prolific child killer in modern history.

Perhaps it would be more sensible to follow the presumption of innocent until proven guilty, and if there's a guilty verdict wait for the mugshot to be released before you start questioning the person's sex. The accused could have been completely innocent for all OP knew.

What?