KJK has had to call off her trip to NZ

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bjjnfkJighc&t=4s

Longer bodycam footage
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d05zlJO8WoE&t=1993s

Crowds at a sensational execution could far exceed the size of the local polity. An execution in 1820 in Clingen (in the German principality of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen) attracted 20,000 spectators. Clingen itself had only 1,000 inhabitants.

Source Crowds and Public Executions citing The spectacle of suffering : executions and the evolution of repression : from a preindustrial metropolis to the European experience (1984) by Spierenburg, Petrus Cornelis

KJK's livestream
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eDuy2Kx2HlI&list=PLgSfHNWm4FOppI1dQZOpeJVBPETx667_L&index=1&pp=iAQB

Let's hope the Dublin Police are less partisan tomorrow than their New Zealand counterparts were.

Oh misogynistic….

like these people in these quotes you mean…

https://x.com/garylfrancione/status/1702547170820497447?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

I mean, I have plenty of others I can add. Such as the J Fae classic about women’s eggshell skulls being the issue causing death not violent males, (I remember a few from J Fae actually). And the prominent male trans influencers who mocked female toilet habits and noises on social media.

There is many others I can post. There is something about male people who simply cannot help but show their misogynistic side while trying to convince the world they are women….

They are some great examples of misogyny! Shall we start posting them so everyone can see what misogyny actually looks like? Because you seem to need some help identifying what misogyny is.

2000 people
And the crowd control was so so poor from a basis H&S point of view

And the overall police planning was so so poor that it ended as a mini- riot.

So the NZ police were OK with dangerous public disorder and VAW

Dear reader

Operation let them speak!

The hilarious thing is that as familiar as bizza’s brand of smug gotchas across the FWR board that then completely backfire to show the opposite is, some people will be applauding bizza for sticking it to the ‘haters’. That is the level of critical thinking we have been seeing for years.

The glee that bizza delivers each ill conceived ‘gotcha’ which then instead shines the light on the shortcomings of the extremism on the group of people they supposedly are supporting, would be an extra layer of humiliation for the majority of people. Once you see the pattern though, you cannot miss it. It is unique to a group of people who believe male people can magically become female people.

Although the style in which bizza does it, is their own and that too is unmissable. I do believe they do it specifically for that humiliation. And that is just another concerning dimension.

I think the crowd must have been told that the police were being held back. The surge forward seemed coordinated and they were completely unconcerned about what they were doing and that they were being filmed.

Im glad she got out of it unscathed.

And surprise surprise no mention of the OIA in any of the MSM reports today. The closest any of them got to it was the ODT saying Kellie-Jay accuses police etc of corruption.

That isn’t ‘clear’ at all. You are rather dishonest bizza. Why are you so dishonest?

A group of Māori women were involved in organizing the women’s rally. Are you saying that those women don’t count in New Zealand?

Because from seeing all of this unfold, I would have to say that this may well be the case for the group of people who violently protested and all those denying the violence of the group and that they prevented Māori women having their say.

Is that what you are supporting? That Māori women have to remain silent and not be able to speak in public about their concerns? Really?

This was precisely Billy Bragg's reasoning with Roisin Murphy.

'Of course she was transphobic, look, people are calling her transphobic' - to paraphrase.

What's the word for when the evidence of an accusation is the accusation itself? Surely there is one?

It's pure witch hunting logic.

That a mob formed and acted as one is a main reason that police need to manage 2000 people in an space.

Violent agents will always make their way to the front of any conflict zone as that is where they find the oppertunity to be violent.

Humans are like any animal that live in community groupings and will engage in "herd instinct" in large crowds.
Going with the flow, and allowing others to make (sometimes vital) decisions on how they move within a crowd.

Crush deaths are always a risk in crowds as FOMO creates the danger

Mismanagement of about 400 people on a night out in NI killed 3.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tyrone-disco-deaths-it-started-with-pushing-then-the-crushing-started-1.3830279

^ includes an account of a girl who was pulled out

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/two-men-to-be-charged-over-deaths-of-three-teenagers-in-crush-outside-st-patricks-day-disco-12686942

Note ^ how the NI police investgated its own actions on how it managed the result of the crush. The two who should have done proper planning are charged.

And NI was a "happy" crowd
Add in even a few violent agents and rioting and the risk of an accidental stampede goes through the roof.

The police planning was poor if 2000 people were turning up with the aim of "stopping hate" and stopping women from meeting and speaking at a fixed focal point.

Yes there’s more studies into how crowds behave

Ae there are waves etc that create danger

Yes more facts that show a lack of any concept of critical awareness from the likes of bizza.

We’re fully in McCarthyism atm

I don’t know if I can see a way out given gender ideology is embedded in institutions and the law

Yup, that’s good solid evidence by the trans movement’s standards! Because a mob shouting abuse is worth so much more than facts, written evidence, solid research backed by references etc….

So LizaBizza is this weekend’s MRA who’s come to school Mumsnet? Another work experience kid, going by the quality of their rhetoric.

Having seen the messages and links between NZ police and Rainbow Pride, and also seen the footage of the demonstrations against Let Women Speak in Albert Park I don't think homophobia is something KJK exhibits. As for transphobia, that isn't demonstrated either - but pure hatred of women is demonstrated by the trans supporters. NZ thus appears to have a police force happy to support misogyny.

You have to wonder where the big hitters are, if mumsnet is worth persistently going at, why not send someone who has a clue?

Bez

You are assuming they aren’t here / haven’t tried already.

I feel I am doomed to be eternally disappointed in the quality of information presented from people who declare they are on the right side of history.

I’m sure if there were any good, persuasive, mind-changing TRA arguments we’d have heard them by now. I am going to have to presume there aren’t any.

Same here. Absolutely shameful treatment of her. She did not deserve that at all. I noticed that she got far worse treatment than the actual Neo-Nazis TRAs claim to despise. When I attended the Melbourne event, the TRAs didn't bat an eye when they showed up. Just continued to hurl abuse at us.

Oh do get a grip!!!

One of the blokes in the uploads who IDed himself on twitter made a big heroic statemet about how he made a choice to scream at you and the other women rather than protest other men.

I guess if there had been a woman in that group it would have caused a moral dilema

The UK is far behind, but it will get there.

You are wrong. The UK are far ahead. We are a beacon of hope to women being forced to endure this in other countries. We are far ahead and it is NZ who must try to get there too but I have little hope.