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Female surgeons sexually assaulted by colleagues while operating

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yourhairiswinterfire · 12/09/2023 12:05

A major analysis of NHS staff has found.

BBC News has spoken to women who were sexually assaulted in the operating theatre while surgery took place.

The study's authors say there is a pattern of female trainees being abused by senior male surgeons, and this is happening now, in NHS hospitals.

The Royal College of Surgeons said the findings were "truly shocking".

Sexual harassment, sexual assault and rape have been referred to as surgery's open secret.
There is an untold story of women being fondled inside their scrubs, of male surgeons wiping their brow on their breasts and men rubbing erections against female staff. Some have been offered career opportunities for sex.
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Nearly two-thirds of women surgeons who responded to the researchers said they had been the target of sexual harassment and a third had been sexually assaulted by colleagues in the past five years.
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Registered surgeons - men and women - were invited to take part completely anonymously and 1,434 responded. Half were women:

  • 63% of women had been the target of sexual harassment from colleagues
  • 30% of women had been sexually assaulted by a colleague
  • 11% of women reported forced physical contact related to career opportunities
  • At least 11 incidents of rape were reported
  • 90% of women, and 81% of men, had witnessed some form of sexual misconduct
While the report shows men are also subject to some of this behaviour (24% had been sexually harassed), it concludes men and women surgeons are "living different realities".

The pair of reports suggest the relatively lower proportion of women surgeons (around 28%), combined with surgery being deeply hierarchical, gives some men significant power and this combines badly with the high-pressure environment of surgery.

"That leads to people being able to behave with impunity and much of this goes unchecked," Prof Carrie Newlands, consultant surgeon from the University of Surrey.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66775015

Female surgeon operating

Female surgeons sexually assaulted while operating

Trainees are being abused by senior male surgeons, a major analysis given to the BBC reveals.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66775015

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Bosky · 15/09/2023 01:54

Long tweet by lascapigliata, commenting on the BBC article about male surgeons sexually assaulting female colleagues:

"What troubles me the most about NHS capture by gender ideology and "trans staff polices" which are allowing men to enter women-only spaces and falsify their sex on their documents and registration records, is that the NHS is behaving as if medicine DOESN'T attract male abusers.

Medicine is one of several fields that give unprecedented access to and power over vulnerable women and children, and for that reason it absolutely does attract abusers. The incidence of sexual assault and abuse of power differential in medicine is staggering, even though it often goes unacknowledged and unreported. I know hundreds of women, both patients and clinicians, who were abused or sexually harassed by male clinicians (doctors, nurses, radiographers, physios etc) and the vast majority either didn't report it or their reports were dismissed.

So for the NHS, the biggest healthcare employer in Europe, to be so nonchalant about allowing male clinicians to falsify their sex and gain access to female facilities and female patients in need of intimate care, while intimidating and persecuting women who complain, is so outrageously cruel and unsafe it is beyond anything I ever expected to see in my entire life. Add to this the fact the NHS is allowing male patients and male visitors to also "identify as women" and gain access to women-only spaces without restriction or supervision. The only conclusion I can make is that misogyny and male predators are way more common and a lot more powerful in medicine than even I, who was always hyperaware of these issues, imagined. Just consider, as a patient, what this means, and to what sort of system you are entrusting your children, your wives, your grandmothers, in their time of illness and vulnerability."

https://twitter.com/lascapigliata8/status/1702062739676398066

Archived: https://archive.ph/nr1rp

She goes on to say:

"Here's what happened to me the first time I set my foot in a hospital, as a first year medical student. More followed as years went by. I am terrified of publishing the whole memoir, but I am acutely aware how necessery it might be for me to do so."

Excerpt 2 from my (still in draft) memoir ‘Sexism in Medicine’

"First time I had a tutorial in the hospital, we met the consultant in the Accident and Emergency department and then we were led up to the ward to observe a bronchoscopy on an unconscious patient. The room was small and stuffy and many of us gathered around the bed. One of the consultants was operating a piece of equipment I have never seen before and everyone was holding their breath. This was when I felt a man’s hand slipping under my coat and starting to grope me. I froze as he rubbed against my bottom, assaulting me in a room full of people, during a procedure that could have ruptured the patient’s lungs if I screamed or started any commotion. So I stayed frozen, in order to protect the patient from harm. I remember thinking that I would kill that bastard as soon as the procedure was over.

The procedure finished without incident and as the crowd started to disperse, I turned around and faced my abuser. He was a small, insipid man in a white coat, with mousy brown hair and a moustache. But his gaze was stone cold and very threatening. Before I could confront him, he squeezed a quiet threat through his teeth. He said nobody would believe me and that he would ruin my career before it even started if I told anyone. I was stunned, but he just laughed at me and walked off."

Full article:
https://lascapigliata.com/excerpt-2-from-my-still-in-draft-memoir-sexism-in-medicine/

Archived: https://archive.ph/o0Qbw

Excerpt 2 from my (still in draft) memoir ‘Sexism in Medicine’

First time I had a tutorial in the hospital, we met the consultant in the Accident and Emergency department and then we were led up to the ward to observe a bronchoscopy on an unconscious patient. …

https://lascapigliata.com/excerpt-2-from-my-still-in-draft-memoir-sexism-in-medicine

IcakethereforeIam · 15/09/2023 02:04

@Bosky Weird coincidence. I was just looking at Under the Duvet of Darkness on Amazon and 'Born in the Right Body' by la scapigliata was a book I might like. Among mostly good reviews it had a 1 star review (very short) by Beth (wonder who that isHmm). I recognised the cover from your post.

PhilipsPenPal · 15/09/2023 08:08

See, I don't thinks this is all just because of sad and perverted individual males Envy. They may have their tendencies but it is the structural and systemic enabling by the NHS and GMC that is the greatest outrage here.

There will always be twisted individuals (Lucy Letby), bullies and power hungry crazies.

These male predators in medicine are responsible (and pathetic and despicable) but it is the policies and cultures of the NHS, the medical schools and the GMC. It's harrowing and I can 100% relate to the pressure of not speaking up in order not to jeopardise a carrier you have worked your socks of to be able to enter. It is the ultimate abuse.

The NHS and GMC need a total overhaul. Out with the old stuffy complacent men and women who turn a blind eye.

Ethics and safeguarding of women, children and vulnerable adults must be at the heart of any reorganisation.

The whole thing is rotten to the core. AngrySadAngry

DerekFaker · 15/09/2023 11:45

Counter letter in The Times today.

Female surgeons sexually assaulted by colleagues while operating
RethinkingLife · 15/09/2023 11:57

Nicely done, Roshana Mehdian! Splendid letter and to the point.

JulesJules · 15/09/2023 16:05

openletter.earth/right-to-reply-499ab15e

Re: the letter from Peter Hilton, this is an open letter in reply

IcakethereforeIam · 15/09/2023 16:14

Wow, over 14,000 verified signatures supporting that rtr. I think I'd disagree though, I'm glad it was published. The guy verified what was going on the sexism, the assaults. It was literally straight from the horse's mouth. But I'm glad he's retired. I wouldn't want him anywhere near a patient. He's vile.

ScottishIceCream · 15/09/2023 16:45

JulesJules · 15/09/2023 16:05

openletter.earth/right-to-reply-499ab15e

Re: the letter from Peter Hilton, this is an open letter in reply

It looks more like a petition to have it removed.

Which I disagree with.

Let everyone see Hilton's views, they are stout confirmation of what goes on.

Bosky · 16/09/2023 01:40

ScottishIceCream · 15/09/2023 16:45

It looks more like a petition to have it removed.

Which I disagree with.

Let everyone see Hilton's views, they are stout confirmation of what goes on.

Agree 100%. It seems to be signed entirely by medics, who are no doubt embarrassed by Hilton. It actually supports the case of those young, female medics, should anyone wish to doubt the truth of their allegations.

Fine to deplore Hilton's misogyny and to allege that it "incites ongoing hatred and violence towards women" but much better to have his disgusting attitudes out in the open.

We know from the response of at least one of the whistle-blowers that she was pleased to see, in his letter, vindication of her complaints of bullying, sexual assault and misogyny.

The backlash against Hilton's letter and his attitudes will surely do more to influence men than Hilton's words ever could?

To redact (unpublish) it just buries further, compelling evidence of the need to address vile attitudes and criminal behaviour by male medics. There should be convictions for sexual assault. If perps chose to cite Hilton's letter as evidence that their criminal behaviour was modelled or condoned by mentors and senior staff, that will not serve them well in court.

If the BMA can be shown to have colluded, put them in the dock too.

One also has to wonder why Hilton is so keen to "normalise" sexual assault against female colleagues and whether we will be hearing from any of the women who worked alongside him?

The petition-style Open Letter calling for Hilton's letter to be "redacted":

"I am very discouraged that you have chosen to publish a recent letter by Dr Peter Hilton, both inciting and justifying sexual harassment and assault against female trainees. Suggesting that young doctors should ‘toughen up’ and expect sexual harassment and bullying as part of their job description not only completely undermines the progress being made to tackle sexual discrimination in the workplace but also shines a spotlight on the inherent misogyny women continue to experience on a daily basis. Allowing this person a platform to incite ongoing hatred and violence towards women is unjustifiable. I request that this letter is immediately redacted and that a formal apology be issued for its ill thought out publication."

Slothtoes · 16/09/2023 09:11

wow that letter from Roshana Mehdian is amazing

She’s a hero for standing up for the women in her profession. Who also writes beautiful pithy public letters. Fantastic. I hope that a long standing campaign about this builds from female surgeons like her who have had more than enough of the ‘attitudes and the impunity’.

As a patient, if the Royal College of Surgeons and the BMA and who have a long history of not being supportive of women’s issues can’t urgently sort of this problem out alongside the surgery profession then I expect Health Ministers to take over and to impose extremely heavy penalties on health care professionals or patients inflicting sexual harassment on workers in medical practice. There is no way that the health care system can keep female patients safe if they can’t get a grip on this problem.
We have already seen the reports on sexual assaults of patients in wards. It’s all part of the same problem and it all needs addressing.

TheHoover · 16/09/2023 09:38

Much has been written about doctors with god complexes and the prevalence of this in surgery. Part of it comes from their training and occupation and part of it is institutional enablement. Anyone who has ever worked jn healthcare will be able to identify a handful of uber-arrogant consultants, revered and pandered-to by all around them, answerable to no-one. They have been bullying others around them for years but this never gets tackled. It is sickening but not surprising to hear they are assaulting females at this scale.

The common themes in all the high-profile NHS scandals since mid-staffs are staff not being listened to, executives closing ranks and not taking action and certain staff members being ‘untouchable’.

The sheer arrogance of Hilton in writing that letter really does sum up everything perfectly. But there are thousands of Hiltons still working in the NHS and thousands more board members who are too afraid to take them down.

Callmemummynotmaaa · 21/09/2023 18:01

That’s powerful and very well written. Thanks for posting @DerekFaker

Slothtoes · 21/09/2023 18:45

Wow what a powerful eloquent letter- thank you for posting. Brava those women.

wtafnow · 21/09/2023 20:10

The sad thing is the GMC are enablers of all this.

I reported a GP for writing inappropriate, verging on pornographic, content about me in a letter of referral, which was obviously intended to be seen by other professionals.

GMC would not even investigate.

Said they understood why I am upset but saw no sexual motivation. I was told to have it dealt with by the practice who did not uphold the complaint and were very aggressive about it.

Appeal to GMC to request investigation was unsuccessful.

I did everything I could to no avail. I feel so enraged and powerless.

Destiny123 · 21/09/2023 20:15

yourhairiswinterfire · 12/09/2023 12:25

It makes me fearful what these people are getting up to with their anaesthetised and helpless patients.

Exactly. If they can sexually assault and harass their conscious female colleagues in front of others, safe in the knowledge that nobody is going to speak up about them, what are they getting away with doing to unconscious patients?

Surgeons are never left alone without an anaesthetist with an anaesthetised patient.

I've seen (and personally experienced) sexually inappropriate comments from male surgeons but not to my knowledge aware of anything physical

BettyFilous · 21/09/2023 21:03

Destiny123 · 21/09/2023 20:15

Surgeons are never left alone without an anaesthetist with an anaesthetised patient.

I've seen (and personally experienced) sexually inappropriate comments from male surgeons but not to my knowledge aware of anything physical

My understanding is that surgeons doing private work choose their anaesthetist(s) they work with. If there are enough bad apples or people willing to turn a blind eye I am not sure your statement is all that reassuring. Time pressure to get through the list in the theatre time available is hopefully enough to keep them on task.

yourhairiswinterfire · 22/09/2023 00:32

Destiny123 · 21/09/2023 20:15

Surgeons are never left alone without an anaesthetist with an anaesthetised patient.

I've seen (and personally experienced) sexually inappropriate comments from male surgeons but not to my knowledge aware of anything physical

A woman is quoted in the article saying a surgeon buried his head in her breasts in the operating theatre, in front of others, so an anaesthetist would have been there at the time?

These men sexually assaulted their female colleagues in front of others, and the witnesses said nothing, so how can we be sure these men aren't doing the same to patients if people aren't willing to speak up?

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Destiny123 · 22/09/2023 18:56

I can't comment on others as I've never seen such happen, only heard inappropriate comments. But we don't leave our patients and as soon as the patient is bought into theatre there's at least 4+ members of staff there. I'd guess it happens in surgical offices where they go to type op notes up while we wake the patient up if anything

Bosky · 23/09/2023 00:24

One of the most terrifying aspects of going for surgery that I experienced was being given a "pre-med" on the ward then struggling (unsuccessfully) to remain conscious while being wheeled on a trolley by a male porter into empty lifts and then what I knew would be the long, empty, isolated corridors in the bowels of the hospital en route to theatre.

StellaAndCrow · 23/09/2023 16:30

IcakethereforeIam · 13/09/2023 01:54

YouTube flagged this for me. It's the woman who was sexually assaulted as detailed in the article I posted yesterday at 19.08. She's telling her story to Shelagh Fogarty on LBC. In the unlikely event she reads this, I am so angry for you. There's no justice in the NHS, I'm glad you won your tribunal. There should have been consequences for the people who should have been there for you but who chose to let you down, to take the side of wrongness and to compound your ordeal.

I knew this would be awful, but her story is even more horrendous than I expected. The male surgeon isolated her in a locked room, sexually assaulted her - when she reported it, the investigator asked her colleagues if she was known to have "inappropriate relationships with colleagues".

MargotBamborough · 23/09/2023 17:16

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/09/2023 18:02

It's time that the NHS were challenged about the millions of ££ they spend on exclusionary D & I policy & practice. Is it that they appoint misogynists who give support to these abusive male medics? How can it be that all these expensive D & I teams have failed to notice that women are routinely sexually assaulted in hospitals? Has their funding of dodgy anti women lobby groups contributed to their lack of care for women and girls? Or is there another reason that women's safety isn't anywhere on their radar?

Because diversity and inclusion doesn't mean women.

Unless...well, you know.

Winnading · 23/09/2023 21:38

Destiny123 · 21/09/2023 20:15

Surgeons are never left alone without an anaesthetist with an anaesthetised patient.

I've seen (and personally experienced) sexually inappropriate comments from male surgeons but not to my knowledge aware of anything physical

This makes no sense. This entire thread is about female (and male) trainee surgeons being assaulted in the theatre and no one speaking out, if they wont speak out for their own surgeons, they damn sure wont speak out for a patient who was unconscious and never even knew they were assaulted.

PurplePansy05 · 23/09/2023 21:41

What have I just read! I'm so sorry for every female surgeon who has experienced this. Awful.

PurplePansy05 · 23/09/2023 21:43

And also very sorry for the male victims of sexual harassment and abuse in this profession too, of course. Doctors really should hold themselves to high standards, this is dreadful.

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