Z-Cup Teacher presents as a man at new job

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Worth a watch whilst you've got the kettle on, can't decide if it's 4D chess or not at this point!
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I think your desire for teens to be traumatized and scarred is far worse. Wanting kids to be harmed because it better fits for narrative is scary.

And it is dismissive of people who have experienced trauma to try to make seeing a man in a wig and some fake boobs a psychologically scarring event because of your personal worldview.

teens have seen rupauls drag race. They aren’t scarred by a man dressing up in some crazy outfit.

Why would he say anything? He is mocking the view that one can say anything and that makes it true. One can say I am a woman and therefore I am and no one can question it. One can say my breasts are real and therefore they are and no one can question it. He took the absurdity of it to a greater level than most are prepared to. Now he has changed how he self identifies and again no one can question it or the change. He can flip flop identifies to his hearst content and say wahtever he wants. He is showing the absurdity of self ID and the required acceptance of that self ID as truth. He is doing it through action, not verbal activism. Part of his point is that one doesn't need to explain one's choices, no matter what they are.

How are you suddenly the spokesperson for teens, and able to confidently state what does and doesn’t traumatise them?

That actually is what you are doing.

And I have worked in high schools in Canada so I have a pretty good sense of Canadian teens.

It's not the dressing up that was the issue for the teens, but the insistence that the costume literally made him a woman.

So the people who batted for him - his old school managers who said it was ‘her’ right to dress like this etc - what re they all dating now?

I think Lemieux has himself actually said very little. And saying you are a woman makes you a woman is the philosophy of self ID. No one can't say he isn't a woman if he self IDs as one via his gender expression. That is the point he is making.

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Completely agree - he was trolling and I don't think teenagers were traumatised. He has done a very good job of exposing the lunacy of Canada's laws

Are people therefore thinking he is actually on the GC side and deliberately showing up the absurdity? A performance really?

Is he still claiming womanhood if he's still being referred to as Lemieux? Just without the comedy breasts?

Somehow I don't think we've heard the end of this story. There will be more.

I think he was doing it for himself. Probably had a beef with the school. Perhaps he got told off for something, misgendering, and decided to weaponise it. It worked too, he became untouchable. At least for a while, at least until the pics of him without the comedy breasts appeared. Even then, I think he got a sweetheart deal to leave.

I wonder if, at least at his school, he had the effect of making being trans desperately uncool. Perhaps, as a side affect, he put off some kids who might have otherwise started down the trans pathway?

Wasn't he teaching smaller children? Who were told to call an obvious male with fake breasts 'she' - i.e. subject to compelled speech (which contravenes their human rights). IIRC the school also talked about locking all but the front door - an obvious fire risk. As well as the obvious H&S issues of teaching DT whilst wearing those fake boobs.

I've experienced trauma, a few actually.

I would at the very least have found Kayla Lamieux nightmarish as a sensitive child.

He looks like some freakish creation from the league of gentlemen. And he is in these kids faces, probably literally thanks to the z cups.

I disagree with minimising the effect on kids, it's likely he's spooked at least some of them, as well as of course making some laugh.

The spooked kids have been forced into the classroom with him as he is a subject teacher. It's absolutely messed up.

I vote a tentative yes because I probably dont know all the details. I said that I thought he was making a point, on another thread about him and naturally got slated for minimising what was going on

But I thought that some other thread (its all very vague) Id read mentioned that he had a disciplinary and was kicking back against something and then all this happened

I dont know

If any children were harmed and traumatized then thats on the management and canadian officials who allow this

He wasn't dressing up in some crazy outfit. He was wearing boobs that an actual woman would only possess if she had a dreadful physical deformity and belonged in Barnum and Bailey's circus and forcing those kids to agree that he was an actual woman.
This isn't drag, it's gaslighting at it's finest. And all the fucking adults surrounding him backed him to the hilt.

Yes I know. I said "the insistence" because it came from all authorities - from everyone.

Again, it's not the 'dressing up' that is harmful (necessarily) but the children seeing adults insist that KL is a woman, due to self-id.

What inference are the kids left to draw about what criteria make you a woman? And of course it has to be inference because no-one will say what a woman is.

That's not the definition of a man though. This view is exactly the problem.

What makes a man isn't being a hero, looking a certain way, or anything like that. It's male chromosomes and biology.

Same for women. A person doesn't have to be beautiful, feminine, or admirable to be a woman, she just needs to be biologically female.

I think RealityFan was just being flippant but I agree with the people pulling up that usage - it gets bandied about everywhere and I think it's something our language should be clear on.

TBF there are tons of people that post on here e.g. 'that's such a male way of speaking' when actually I don't believe that 'ways of speaking' are linked to the male body - but they mean male socialisation and entitlement which are interlinked, but not a direct correlation with having a male body. I.e. it's gendered, not sexed, and I like to keep the distinction clear.... but sorry to go off on a tangent!

I genuinely don't know what KL's schtick is and wonder if we'll ever find out?

As a cranky middle -aged lesbian I'm just going to say it; do NOT dress however you like. I don't want to see someone's fetish and I'm an adult. We've gone too far in permissiveness

It's why most of us boring lesbians don't go to Pride anymore; men in ass-chaps, bdsm ugh
This goes for drag and men in dresses and full make-up. Keep it for the club

Men, you can wear kilts. Go to Dublin for a Scotland-Ireland rugby match and you'll see fans all wearing kilts, looking great.

There is also plenty of nice unisex clothing nowadays, it's what all the sporty and androgynous lesbians used to wear before 2013 when this started

Even if it was all an elaborate troll to expose the craziness of NoDebate, this man has used children as props in his stunt - and that’s not okay.

I can’t believe he’s employable, and not just because he presented as a sex clown in completely inappropriate attire for anyone (male or female) working with kids. He is someone who has been brazenly dishonest - surely that’s a deal-breaker for most employers?

No it’s not? I’ve said nothing about whether the students have, or have not been traumatised. That’s you.
I simply expressed disdain at how you were so quick to dismiss the possibility that they might be.

I would have been mildly scared as a pupil but more scared as a teacher that my country allowed this to continue and that common sense speech wasn’t allowed. As a pupil that he would be untouchable if he did anything to make me even more uncomfortable. As a teacher that he was obviously not acting within the norm and that something preventable could not be acted on - that safeguarding was non existent. Also as a teacher, I would be mildly scared that the daily teaching atmosphere was damaged and that there may be a threat of violence from older pupils or parents getting upset.
Thats why I would be scared.

I would have been very uncomfortable of this was my teacher. People tell you that you must say this is a woman. The huge cartoon boobs and nipples. You have eyes and ears but you are told that if you say ‘he’ you are committing the biggest crime imaginable and will be punished.

This will have also emboldened other males to do the same and bully girls into giving them access to their loos, changing rooms, clubs and teams.

so yes, I would have been traumatised if I was a kid at that school - and bloody angry.

However I can just imagine that my mum and grandma would have descended on the school head like a couple of demons.

I think it was totally a lie.

I don't think he was necessarily trying to highlight the craziness, so much as make things difficult because they had been giving him shit about not believing in their ideology.

I imagine he's in the teaching union, while it may be a different school, as long as it is the same board hiring decisions are mainly about seniority.