So, someone at the Guardian has actually joined the dots and realised why mumsnet is full of feminists who just dont want men in our spaces

[GrabbyGabby]

Wonders will never cease

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/04/mumsnet-motherhood-men-stories-abusers

That hadn’t occurred to me. You’re right.

And it’ll probably mean we get an(other) influx of MRAs on here making misandry accusations.

Psst...want to buy a post? Or I can do you a good deal on a thread? If you want a whole board I'm going to have to talk to the big viper

That wasn’t the worst thing in that discussion. The (seemingly sensible until that point) firefighter said that…

“Julia We agreed there should be an even field for IVF on the NHS. If you’re going do it, do it for everyone. I don’t care if they’re straight, gay, single man, woman, whatever.”

…without realising (apparently) that, for a single man, the NHS wouldn’t be funding IVF, they’d be funding the reproductive exploitation of a woman via a surrogacy arrangement/removal of the infant from its mother at birth.

Thank you! Yes.
That is exactly what I took away from this.
It reads to me as disingenuous; a veiled discounting.

This made my day 😂😂😂

I’ll never be able to look at my husband again without comparing him to a toilet.

Or the toilet comparing it to my husband 😂😂😂

it is a huge privilege to not grow up fearing men. It’s a privilege I’m working hard to make sure my own daughter has, but it is a privilege. I’m also trying to teach her to be well prepared to protect herself even though she has never had to do so.

The writer would be better off learning from the women who have the lived experience that teaches us to be wary. That fear drives us to make life choices that keep us and our children safe.

A side point, but the author wrote Sea State. It's brilliant, I recommend.

She's plain daft.

If you ever look at the comments on the Grauniad's agony aunt pages, you'll probably find a significantly higher proportion of "leave the bastard"!

It's hardly a complimentary article.

Its conclusion if women dont go there because you will realise men cause women misery and if all women started seeing this men would cease to be relevant.

Of course the Guardian printed it. Never let it be said that the Guardian motto could be "women and children first". Their motto is men first, second and third, with women and children allowed to be an applauding audience, though more likely doing th work that enables men to have the time to pursue their rightful place in society, first, second, third ....................

And obvious bizarre to write such a piece and not even say without exploring it further, no wonder so many women then join the FWR board.

If it wouldn't sound too contrived, you might even say the Guardian welcomed it as it gave no publicity or credence to FWR.

Which even if the author wasn't and still isn't aware of the Guardian as the publisher would surely have pointed out that fundamental gap in her understanding of mumsnet.

And of course the political question of all time - biscuits.

BonfireLady · Today 18:46

LongDutch · Today 18:01

No one else getting a sniff of 'radicalised by Mumsnet' from this?

I stopped when I realised my online activities had offline consequences. I had absorbed so many horror stories, I was starting to view all men as potential abusers. I would find myself watching male friends, and my girlfriends’ husbands, scanning their behaviour for tells. If a man ever approached me, I’d assume he was a predator, attracted to my porous boundaries.
It took a few years for my perspective to recalibrate. I don’t go on there at all any more.
I came here to say exactly this.
I was very excited at the thread title and the first few comments...
Then I read the article.

I was left with a very chilling feeling of a Peter Wilby-style effect. No, not related to paedophilia but in the way that there was just enough complimentary narrative for it to read as a sensible and balanced look at the value, and oft misunderstood aspects, of MN..... but the takeaway for me was that it was an echo chamber churning out men-hating radicalised women. With the unspoken implication (it's very much a hallmark of a Wilby article to slide one in) being that this will be why this bunch of women are so militant about protecting womanhood, in an ivory tower of righteousness, from anyone they see as unworthy.
This is so true, it needs repeating, it’s minimising and deflecting

Absolutely. It's also pretty damn lucky to find yourself with a reliable and sane support network in real life that you can turn to.

DrivingCadillacsInOurDreams

I take a teaspoon to a ripe avocado and spoon it out in little "curls", inspired by Nigella. Better than little cubes I think, more organic.

Can you recommend a good organic spoon?

I also take a teaspoon to an avocado. But I don’t bother with the ‘decorative avocado curls onto a plate’ stage. It’s spoonfuls of avocado straight into my gob. Any (clean) teaspoon will do.

😂😂😂

That’s my thought, too. It’s a strange piece because she writes about how much her eyes have been opened on the issue of abusive relationships but at the end she berates herself for becoming addicted to the site and says she needs to step away from it permanently.

Dipping toes into MN (= TERF city), but hastily withdrawing them??

More like minimising mumsnet and it’s feminism

I was left with a very chilling feeling of a Peter Wilby-style effect. No, not related to paedophilia but in the way that there was just enough complimentary narrative for it to read as a sensible and balanced look at the value, and oft misunderstood aspects, of MN..... but the takeaway for me was that it was an echo chamber churning out men-hating radicalised women. With the unspoken implication (it's very much a hallmark of a Wilby article to slide one in) being that this will be why this bunch of women are so militant about protecting womanhood, in an ivory tower of righteousness, from anyone they see as unworthy.
This is so true, it needs repeating, it’s minimising and deflecting

Totally agree and was coming here to say this.

The clear message was - it's toxic, stay away.

Echoing what others said it gave me a weird feeling but I thought maybe I was being paranoid.
I actually got the opposite effect if anything from the relationship pages. Yes there are some truly awful stories on there (and lots of sensible LTB advice) but also an inference that it's not acceptable or normal. There are plenty of posters in happy/functional relationships posting there as well (usually to say this isn't normal, I wouldn't put up with that). It's not all bitter radicalised single women who have been so traumatised they were never able to trust men again which is what I got from the article...