Terfs in the House of Lords?

IwantToRetire · 2023-09-02T19:37:40+00:00

^Sensible letter from 25 members of the House of Lords on the offensive use of she to refer to a male criminal in the Telegraph.^ [[https://twitter.com/StoatlyL/status/1697890524785504422 https://twitter.com/StoatlyL/status/1697890524785504422]] This tweet has the list of signatories [[https://twitter.com/StoatlyL/status/1697933246707753216 https://twitter.com/StoatlyL/status/1697933246707753216]] (I have tried to find this on the Telegraph web site but have failed, so sorry for those who find the image of the text hard to read.)

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IwantToRetire · 02/09/2023 20:41

Have now found it!

Pronouns in the press

SIR – In your report (<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/Lb9k2/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/30/paedophile-changes-gender-sophie-carter-court/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">August 31) on the sentencing hearing of the convicted paedophile Dominic Carter, you initially called him “she”. We note the reference to “she” was removed from a later version of this story, following hundreds of disapproving comments by your readers.

It is frankly disgraceful that it was ever allowed. The crime was committed by a man, not a woman. The use of she to refer to this man is incredibly offensive to women, and illustrates the problem of accepting that anyone can be any sex they feel they are.

Crucial debates on policy have gone unreported as newspapers and other media failed to address these issues for fear of causing offence and of incurring the wrath of activist lobby groups or even regulators.

Referring to this man, and other male criminals, as women both demeans women and gives credence to the delusion that applying pink nail varnish and a headband makes one a woman.

Your readers deserve better. Journalists must report the truth, without fear or favour.

Baroness Deech KC (Crossbench)
Lord Sandhurst KC (Con)
Lord Young of Norwood Green (Lab)
Baroness Thornhill (Lib Dem)
Baroness Fleet (Con)
Baroness Jenkin of Kennington (Con)
Baroness Stedman-Scott (Con)
Lord Wasserman (Con)
Baroness Meyer (Con)
Baroness Hoey (Non-affiliated)
Lord Lucas (Con)
Lord Strathcarron (Con)
Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park (Con)
Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne (Con)
Baroness Lea of Lymm (Con)
Lord Roberts of Belgravia (Con)
Baroness Bray of Coln (Con)
Lord Jackson of Peterborough (Con)
Baroness Noakes (Con)
Lord Moylan (Con)
Baroness Foster of Oxton (Con)
Earl of Leicester (Con)
Baroness Eaton (Con)
Baroness Hodgson of Abinger (Con)
Baroness Seccombe (Con)

Towards the end of other letters published https://archive.ph/Lb9k2

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cheezncrackers · 02/09/2023 20:44

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

I'm so glad I come from TERF island. Really proud of these members of the HoL for standing up for sense and accuracy in these times of nonsense and lies.

IcakethereforeIam · 02/09/2023 20:44

Yay, especially to these signatories (who aren't tories)

Baroness Deech KC (Crossbench)
Lord Young of Norwood Green (Lab)
Baroness Thornhill (Lib Dem)

Hoardasurass · 02/09/2023 20:53

Good for them this crap needs to stop.

FrancescaContini · 02/09/2023 20:58

I’m past caring which political party anyone who points out the bleedin’ obvious - that the Emperor is actually naked - belongs to. Well done to all these members of the HoL.

BathTangle · 02/09/2023 21:02

Pleased to see Baroness Deech on the list. I know a little of her social demographic background from many years ago and many similar people are fully signed up TWAW believers.

morningtoncrescent62 · 02/09/2023 21:31

A couple of names I'd've expected to see - they've been active in debates on sex and gender - Lord Hunt of Kings Heath and Baroness Fox (I don't know where she's baroness of, better known as Claire Fox of the Battle of Ideas Festival). Good on those who signed, but I'm surprised to see those two missing.

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IwantToRetire · 02/09/2023 21:57

I'm surprised to see those two missing

It may well be that in getting a letter agreed and signed within a day of the article not everybody could be reached. And may be on holiday.

Who knows how many of these independent thinkers there are in the HoL?

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/09/2023 21:58

Good to see.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 02/09/2023 22:33

I am grateful for rhe 2nd chamber and never thought I’d say that

CantThinkOfANameAtAll · 02/09/2023 23:03

stealtheatingtunnocks · 02/09/2023 22:33

I am grateful for rhe 2nd chamber and never thought I’d say that

Same here. Twenty years ago I wanted it abolished, thank goodness it's still here.

Changingplace · 02/09/2023 23:08

CantThinkOfANameAtAll · 02/09/2023 23:03

Same here. Twenty years ago I wanted it abolished, thank goodness it's still here.

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Same, always thought previously it was a waste of space but I sincerely hope this continues.

PatatiPatatras · 02/09/2023 23:15

Have we got to the next stage yet?

"Of course the emperor is naked! So what? Why can't he be naked? "

I'm trying to figure out how I hold onto sanity once we get there...

literalviolence · 02/09/2023 23:45

The emperor is not entirely naked. He's wearing leather chaps with no pants, holding a whip and admiring his own lady penis whilst holding a copy of a book which explains why it's important to queer the curriculum and stop stigmatising people who want to have sex with children. It's so much worse than just a naked emperor. Which is why it is so good to see some actual grown ups in the room.

IdleAnimations · 03/09/2023 00:38

literalviolence · 02/09/2023 23:45

The emperor is not entirely naked. He's wearing leather chaps with no pants, holding a whip and admiring his own lady penis whilst holding a copy of a book which explains why it's important to queer the curriculum and stop stigmatising people who want to have sex with children. It's so much worse than just a naked emperor. Which is why it is so good to see some actual grown ups in the room.

Spot on. This is all a way to break down social boundaries and ultimately get to the kids. It’s why they hate the Mothers the most - they already try and take the emotional force out of motherhood by calling us birthing persons or egg producers. It’s all their plan and I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m mental. It’s a dangerous ideology.

SammyScrounge · 03/09/2023 00:47

IwantToRetire · 02/09/2023 20:41

Have now found it!

Pronouns in the press

SIR – In your report (<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/Lb9k2/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/30/paedophile-changes-gender-sophie-carter-court/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">August 31) on the sentencing hearing of the convicted paedophile Dominic Carter, you initially called him “she”. We note the reference to “she” was removed from a later version of this story, following hundreds of disapproving comments by your readers.

It is frankly disgraceful that it was ever allowed. The crime was committed by a man, not a woman. The use of she to refer to this man is incredibly offensive to women, and illustrates the problem of accepting that anyone can be any sex they feel they are.

Crucial debates on policy have gone unreported as newspapers and other media failed to address these issues for fear of causing offence and of incurring the wrath of activist lobby groups or even regulators.

Referring to this man, and other male criminals, as women both demeans women and gives credence to the delusion that applying pink nail varnish and a headband makes one a woman.

Your readers deserve better. Journalists must report the truth, without fear or favour.

Baroness Deech KC (Crossbench)
Lord Sandhurst KC (Con)
Lord Young of Norwood Green (Lab)
Baroness Thornhill (Lib Dem)
Baroness Fleet (Con)
Baroness Jenkin of Kennington (Con)
Baroness Stedman-Scott (Con)
Lord Wasserman (Con)
Baroness Meyer (Con)
Baroness Hoey (Non-affiliated)
Lord Lucas (Con)
Lord Strathcarron (Con)
Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park (Con)
Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne (Con)
Baroness Lea of Lymm (Con)
Lord Roberts of Belgravia (Con)
Baroness Bray of Coln (Con)
Lord Jackson of Peterborough (Con)
Baroness Noakes (Con)
Lord Moylan (Con)
Baroness Foster of Oxton (Con)
Earl of Leicester (Con)
Baroness Eaton (Con)
Baroness Hodgson of Abinger (Con)
Baroness Seccombe (Con)

Towards the end of other letters published https://archive.ph/Lb9k2

I note that all the signatories except for one LibDem and 1 Labour and one Independent are Conservatives. Well done, all signatories.

FrancescaContini · 03/09/2023 07:19

literalviolence · 02/09/2023 23:45

The emperor is not entirely naked. He's wearing leather chaps with no pants, holding a whip and admiring his own lady penis whilst holding a copy of a book which explains why it's important to queer the curriculum and stop stigmatising people who want to have sex with children. It's so much worse than just a naked emperor. Which is why it is so good to see some actual grown ups in the room.

Yes. Spot on.

Slothtoes · 03/09/2023 07:43

Fantastic. Thank you to those signatories. This is why at this point in history we really need the Lords- having a mix of professionally-experienced lawmakers who do not have to be elected. This allows for grown up discussions when the rest of elected politics is shitting on all women purely because a handful of particular men will be Upset on Twitter if those politicians don’t entirely prostrate themselves before their wishes (which often contradict safeguarding norms so would be dangerous to others to fulfil).

Grammarnut · 03/09/2023 08:41

FrancescaContini · 02/09/2023 20:58

I’m past caring which political party anyone who points out the bleedin’ obvious - that the Emperor is actually naked - belongs to. Well done to all these members of the HoL.

This.

angstridden2 · 03/09/2023 08:48

Well done those peers, especially the two non Tory ones. They’re quite brave considering the stance their parties are taking.

maltravers · 03/09/2023 12:23

Slothtoes · 03/09/2023 07:43

Fantastic. Thank you to those signatories. This is why at this point in history we really need the Lords- having a mix of professionally-experienced lawmakers who do not have to be elected. This allows for grown up discussions when the rest of elected politics is shitting on all women purely because a handful of particular men will be Upset on Twitter if those politicians don’t entirely prostrate themselves before their wishes (which often contradict safeguarding norms so would be dangerous to others to fulfil).

I entirely agree. Keep it up HoL!

LarkLane · 03/09/2023 13:39

IcakethereforeIam · 02/09/2023 20:44

Yay, especially to these signatories (who aren't tories)

Baroness Deech KC (Crossbench)
Lord Young of Norwood Green (Lab)
Baroness Thornhill (Lib Dem)

Lord Young is a trustee of the LGBA.😊

FroodwithaKaren · 03/09/2023 14:42

literalviolence · 02/09/2023 23:45

The emperor is not entirely naked. He's wearing leather chaps with no pants, holding a whip and admiring his own lady penis whilst holding a copy of a book which explains why it's important to queer the curriculum and stop stigmatising people who want to have sex with children. It's so much worse than just a naked emperor. Which is why it is so good to see some actual grown ups in the room.

Yup, that covers it.

Excellent letter. 👏

Abeli · 03/09/2023 14:52

Slothtoes · 03/09/2023 07:43

Fantastic. Thank you to those signatories. This is why at this point in history we really need the Lords- having a mix of professionally-experienced lawmakers who do not have to be elected. This allows for grown up discussions when the rest of elected politics is shitting on all women purely because a handful of particular men will be Upset on Twitter if those politicians don’t entirely prostrate themselves before their wishes (which often contradict safeguarding norms so would be dangerous to others to fulfil).

Absolutely agree. Elescted second chamber would lose the freedom to say unpopular things.

TeenEyeroll · 03/09/2023 21:14

This is great. And literalviolence’s comment is spot on.