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AutumnCrow · 19/08/2023 09:59

NoWordForFluffy · 19/08/2023 09:58

The worst thing for me, as a solicitor, is that while I can avoid the firms on the list, my regulatory body is on it, so it's not possible to avoid SW completely. It's rather worrying, to be honest.

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Crap, isn't it? It's disgusting that regulatory bodies are on political allegiance lists.

whenindoubtgotothelibrary · 19/08/2023 10:00

Good news.

NoWordForFluffy · 19/08/2023 10:02

AutumnCrow · 19/08/2023 09:59

Crap, isn't it? It's disgusting that regulatory bodies are on political allegiance lists.

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It really annoys me, but I keep my GC thoughts very firmly to myself at work, as - despite recent ET judgments - I don't want to test the waters at any firm I'm at as to their knowledge of, and compliance with, those judgments. And with the SRA being captured, if it did go properly tits up, I'm not sure I'd get a fair hearing!

Datun · 19/08/2023 10:02

DrPanda · 19/08/2023 09:31

The Government has purged Stonewall would be have been a better headline - and more about the truth.

Yes. It's making it sound as though stonewall kicked the off in a fit of pique because other departments were leaving.

AnSolas · 19/08/2023 10:04

AutumnCrow · 19/08/2023 09:48

If you want to have a laugh at the absolute suckers on the list of gullible griftees ...

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/top-100-employers/full-list

They had to recalculate Barclays' score - presumably after a late appeal?! (can you imagine actually giving a fuck?) - which goes to show that banks do have EDI twats working for them who push this religico-political nonsense onto their corporate ethos.

All of the banks will be pushing this because most of the biggest (USA) asset management companies are pushing this

Been seen as a "good citizen" effects everything from share price to borrowing ability to what management can boast about at formal dinners.

WhiteFire · 19/08/2023 10:05

Credit where credit is due for SW though. Charge people to join your scheme, then charge them to do what is needed to 'improve', then charge them to stay in the scheme, then charge them for more 'improvements'. And round and round it goes.

In terms of an income stream, they nailed it. (Note the past tense)

ArabeIIaKarenScott · 19/08/2023 10:10

Heliotroper · 19/08/2023 09:59

Kemi needs to go on the attack and point out the absurdity of a list produced by a charity that drops organizations as soon as the cheques dry up. Publicly challenge the fools who are still sending their money on. Tell people it is a racket.

Surely if there's any kind of a list it should be from the EHRC? And not done in a 'competition' style, just in a 'we comply with requisite law' way.

In an abstract way, I find the idea of point scoring EDI really weird, tbh. Either an organisation is being fair and upholding the law or they're not - it's not like you can be 'super good at compliance' or 'better at respecting the law than your competitors'.

The whole idea is non discrimination, which shoudl really be a given, tbh - it's like holding a competition to see 'who can be least murderous or fraudulent'. This system suggest that unless one takes steps to address it, one is de facto discriminatory. The implication is that we are all natural born sinners who must recant, repent, and be educated ...

ArabeIIaKarenScott · 19/08/2023 10:11

I don't know if I'm expaining that well.

It's not like we have a charity handing out gold stars and trophies for 'not employing child labour', is it?

Datun · 19/08/2023 10:18

AutumnCrow · 19/08/2023 09:48

If you want to have a laugh at the absolute suckers on the list of gullible griftees ...

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/top-100-employers/full-list

They had to recalculate Barclays' score - presumably after a late appeal?! (can you imagine actually giving a fuck?) - which goes to show that banks do have EDI twats working for them who push this religico-political nonsense onto their corporate ethos.

Yes.

They've managed to create a fake need to employ a dedicated person who ensures compliance to a set of rules they made up!

And this person makes ever more extreme acts of obedience to stay in favour.

Meanwhile no-one else says anything because it's not that much money and anyway it gives them a nice sense of virtue.

Except now stonewall's barmy, power mad overreach is making 'compliance' look like crazed ideological fealty.

Run!!

RealityFan · 19/08/2023 10:20

Too bad the govt couldn't have done this years ago and run the shop competently. Then, they might have had a chance in 2024.

Q is, when Labour get the keys next year, do they re invite Stonewall back in? I mean, aren't those the sweet nothings that "ummmmmm, wwwwwwell" Iain is whispering in Sir Keir's ear?

Crouton19 · 19/08/2023 10:21

Hmm, my employer does not use SW but has partnered with another org that works closely with SW, so no diversity champions scheme but all the associated training, internal comms may as well be directly from SW. I'm not sure why they bother as surely without the ranking, what is the point, but I do know that banks are starting to offer better rates for companies which improve environmental performance so perhaps it is a lender requirement. As others have said, why isn't it enough to show compliance with the law!?

mrshoho · 19/08/2023 10:24

There's got to be a financial incentive somewhere along the way for these organisations to fall over themselves to get on SW's good list. I long for the day when to be associated with SW is not a good look.

cheezncrackers · 19/08/2023 10:33

Shocking to see how many of the big law firms are in that Top 100. And Severn Trent in position 23 - you'd think that a water company had better things to spend its money on - like infrastructure improvements so it doesn't keep discharging sewage into rivers!! That a list of shame that is Angry

Datun · 19/08/2023 10:40

mrshoho · 19/08/2023 10:24

There's got to be a financial incentive somewhere along the way for these organisations to fall over themselves to get on SW's good list. I long for the day when to be associated with SW is not a good look.

The only thing I can think of is that they think it will make them more attractive as a business. When in reality, no one picks a business on the basis of the rainbow posters in the window.

My feeling is that they didn't think it would harm, and it's cheap, so why not.

And the dedicated EDI person did all the running, the admin, the liaison. And dealt with all the training, etc. justifying their position.

But now the compliance has spiralled out of all control, and is looking like ideological batshittery, which is clearly highly controversial politically.

But, as was planned in the beginning, the masterstroke of tying transgender issues to LGB issues makes extrication more tricky.

AdultFemaleMorningsider · 19/08/2023 10:41

Happy not to see my employer on the list. Can't be the only person here with a major financial decision on the horizon, looking down the list to see which of my shortlisted companies are on the list and mentally upgrading the ones that aren't!

nzborn · 19/08/2023 10:47

Fuck me, Victim support ( sorry about the potty mouth )

GrandmaMazur · 19/08/2023 10:48

cheezncrackers · 19/08/2023 10:33

Shocking to see how many of the big law firms are in that Top 100. And Severn Trent in position 23 - you'd think that a water company had better things to spend its money on - like infrastructure improvements so it doesn't keep discharging sewage into rivers!! That a list of shame that is Angry

It does seem odd to see some of the organisations listed who are wasting their money on this. Victim Support in third place - how do they have spare cash for this? Surely there are more important things to be spending their money on!

anyolddinosaur · 19/08/2023 10:50

I may have to stop visiting Premier Inns (owned by Whitbread), pity but we were tending to bypass them lately anyway. Travelodge not on the list and their beds are no longer as crap as they were.

I took money out of one fund management company after discovering they were pushing this crap and I wont put money with Virgin or travel with them.

Andante57 · 19/08/2023 10:56

How did we get to the position where Stonewall got so many companies and govt departments paying for their approval? just how?

I agree.

cheezncrackers · 19/08/2023 11:06

GrandmaMazur · 19/08/2023 10:48

It does seem odd to see some of the organisations listed who are wasting their money on this. Victim Support in third place - how do they have spare cash for this? Surely there are more important things to be spending their money on!

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Agreed. And NHS England FFS!!!! We're constantly being told how the government don't fund the NHS properly (which is bollocks anyway), but the shit they waste money on. Stonewall Diversity Champions????? Argh!

maltravers · 19/08/2023 11:07

It’s a list of who is prepared to throw women under a bus. How unsurprising that it is headed by Magic Circle law firms and banks. To me it demonstrates the very opposite of what they are trying to convey. These are businesses that just don’t care about the harm loony policies will cause if they think the PR is good. I don’t suppose they give it any thinking time at all. I’m guessing however that they don’t care about impressing/recruiting females in their 50s - how inclusive of them (not).

RealityFan · 19/08/2023 11:16

EDI is almost like a modern day version of masonry.

In the 70s, local businessmen would curry favours on the golf course and in the local lodge.

Normally, it would be to your advantage, but you were also expected to show some sacrifice commercially if it suited the "bigger group".

Fast forward to today, "the customer is always right" is only true if the customer aligns with your values ie those of Stonewall. And your company will take a hit to fit in with the bigger corporate fealty when pissing off the wider customer base (ie us).

Anxioys · 19/08/2023 11:17

What's important is that law making government departments are not on this list.

The other thing is what replaces Stonewall. If you think that currently this Government will looking to clarify biological sex and it's meaning, and it's lawyers will be working on that, then you will find lawmakers in government will be okay with this split.

LGB

And then if relevant, separately.

T

I'm not saying this is all across government but I do not see trans inclusive LGBT is growing. A lot of LGBT organizations in government and their officials have concerns. They do not want to be associated with Stonewall either. There are now separate trans groups which were not there before. And without LGB, these groups are very very small.

Imnobody4 · 19/08/2023 11:25

Just saw this thread on X. I really think the tide is turning.

https://twitter.com/women_outspoken/status/1692627325303574851?t=kaK9vzOH2Z80dxXWjgy3JA&s=19

1/4 Today Outspoken Women attended an action at Stonewall Cymru's Workplace Conference in Cardiff. Billed as 'Europe's leading event for LGBTQ+ inclusion', delegates paid £350 each to attend. We were told that the Ricoh suite, which holds more than 550 people, had been booked.

2/4 So it was a surprise when, instead of 100s arriving to participate, a mere trickle turned up. We think we counted about 40 over an hour, which included several speakers and Stonewall staff. And while some swept past, refusing to speak to us, a number were willing to engage.

https://twitter.com/women_outspoken/status/1692627325303574851?s=19&t=kaK9vzOH2Z80dxXWjgy3JA

RealityFan · 19/08/2023 11:28

£350 per person? What a profitable grift.
People being conned in broad daylight. Looks like people might be opening their eyes more now.