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Almut Gadow v Open University (again)

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Signalbox · 18/08/2023 11:20

Obviously I can't link to the crowdfund but this is the text and google is your friend :)

My name is Almut Gadow. For almost 10 years, I taught law at the Open University. I was dismissed for questioning new requirements to indoctrinate students in gender identity theory, in ways which, I felt, distorted equality law and normalised child sexual exploitation.
I am bringing an employment tribunal claim arguing that I was harassed, discriminated against, and unfairly dismissed because I reject gender ideology and believe in academic freedom, and that this breached human rights protections for academic free expression.
Who am I?
I grew up in a family of thought criminals. My grandfather was an undergraduate when the Nazis cleansed academia of wrongthinkers and their ideas. Rather than continue at an ideologically compliant university, he completed his studies at an illicit underground institution. He was then repeatedly tried for speech crimes and eventually sentenced to death by hanging ‘for destructive behaviour through statements in sermons and in dealing with [Nazi] party material’.
I see free speech as a distinguishing feature between democracy and totalitarianism, not a battleground between left and right. My family has seen both German dictatorships, the fascist and the socialist, right and left, suppress speech and purge academia of dissent and dissenters. I hope my daughter can one day go to a university that does not eliminate wrongthink(ers).
My story
In 2021/22 the Open University’s Equality, Diversity and Inclusion department announced plans to incorporate its political ideologies into ‘all current curriculum’. The law degree on which I taught was redesigned around a ‘core theme’ of ‘liberating the curriculum’, reflecting these ideologies.
Criminal law tutors were told that, to ‘liberate the curriculum’, our classes now had to introduce diverse gender identities and teach students to use offenders’ preferred pronouns. I questioned if incorporating gender identity theory might be an unnecessary distraction or even unwise. I described gender theory as hotly contested, and as recently developed in wealthy Western countries. I pointed out that (not) believing in gender identity is a protected religious or philosophical belief under the Equality Act 2010, and said law tutorials are no place to promote one's beliefs.
I also highlighted some of the implications of describing offenders according to self-identified gender in our work. I said a criminal lawyer’s role is to present facts, that sex is a relevant fact for offences involving perpetrators’ and/or victims’ bodies, and that no offender should be allowed to dictate the language of his case in a way which masks relevant facts. I said an assailant’s language about himself and his offence should not automatically be adopted over his victim’s, and that lawyers and courts sometimes need to describe offenders in terms with which the latter might not agree – calling the innocent-identifying perpetrator ‘guilty’, or the trans-identifying male ‘he’.
When I raised these questions, in an online forum for law tutors to discuss what they teach, management had no answers. Months later, they were cited as reasons for my dismissal. Managers spuriously alleged that my ‘unreasonable questions’ had created an environment which ‘isn’t inclusive, trans-friendly or respectful’, thus violating the transgender staff policy and codes of conduct. In fact, I had broken no lawful rule by probing the academic soundness of what I was expected to teach.
I further incurred the wrath of the curriculum liberators when I asked them to define their key concepts such as ‘LGBTQ+’. It had become apparent to me that some treated ‘minor attraction’ (i.e. paedophilia) as part of the ‘diverse sexualities and gender identities’ Open University law teaching now seeks to ‘centre’. The criminal law module culminated in an assignment in which students had to discuss a relationship between an adult and a minor. Students would gain marks by describing child and adult as each other’s ‘boyfriends’, but lose marks if they considered whether the adult was grooming the child or committing a sexual offence.
My request for clarification was spuriously described as further misconduct. Curriculum liberators complained that it had made them feel undermined, harassed, bullied and reputationally damaged. In fact, asking colleagues to explain core concepts of their output is just part of everyday academic work, but curriculum liberators were unable to do so here.
My legal case
Assisted at no cost by the Free Speech Union, I am launching a legal claim in the Employment Tribunal. I am arguing that I have been unfairly dismissed, harassed, and discriminated against because I reject gender ideology and believe in academic freedom. My case raises complex points of human rights, academic freedom, free expression and equality law.
‘Academic free expression’ is at the heart of my tribunal case. This concept, set out in a string of judgments of the European Court of Human Rights, encapsulates how article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights protects academic freedom – not least by prohibiting universities from penalising academics for questioning our institutions or curricula. UK courts have yet to properly consider ECtHR case law on academic free expression. In seeking judicial guidance on this from an English employment tribunal, my case can hopefully entrench these protections in domestic law.
I will also argue that valuing academic freedom is, in itself, a protected belief under the Equality Act. Establishing this in law could protect many other academics whose careers are threatened by the rising tide of intolerance on UK campuses.
Why I need your help
I am crowdfunding to support my employment tribunal claim against the Open University. Akua Reindorf KC, whose name has become almost synonymous with her ground-breaking work on the academic freedom of gender critical academics, will represent me in the tribunal. However, a legal challenge of this type requires an enormous amount of work, which needs to be funded.
The likely total cost of funding this claim up to trial will be around £250,000. Rather than raise the full amount now, I will ‘stretch’ the target as the claim proceeds. This will allow me to provide accurate cost estimates, and will avoid raising more money than I need in order to fund the claim.
Although litigation can be unpredictable, I plan to raise funds at three milestones:

  • Milestone one: £70,000 to cover the cost of the preliminary hearing, disclosure of documents and preparation of a trial bundle.
  • Milestone two: £90,000 covering the drafting of witness statements, potential applications to the Tribunal and for contingency costs in the run-up to trial.
  • Milestone three: £90,000 for the cost of trial including preparation.
All figures include VAT and estimated counsel’s fees. Once the initial target is met, funds raised will be transferred to the Free Speech Union which will hold the money in trust for the payment of fees as they arise. Any unused funds will be returned to CrowdJustice in accordance with its terms. I will update this page throughout to inform you of the progress of my case. If you can, please consider donating, or sharing this page.
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/09/2023 10:24

@FeedMeFood and @Astoufo are singularly focused on the age of the minor in the case study and the extent to which a favourable attitude to 'MAPs' can be inferred from it.

And @Astoufa - spelling changed later in the thread

DrBlackbird · 03/09/2023 10:56

Every institution is failing.

Which is why any claims to have won the ‘gender war’ is premature.

Women are the subordinate class and after periods of fighting for/gaining rights, new means and interesting variations are found for the dominant class to reassert itself. Understandable that men wish to retain their dominant position but depressing how many and how often women collude. This time under the specious adage of #bekind.

RealityFan · 03/09/2023 11:08

DrBlackbird · 03/09/2023 10:56

Every institution is failing.

Which is why any claims to have won the ‘gender war’ is premature.

Women are the subordinate class and after periods of fighting for/gaining rights, new means and interesting variations are found for the dominant class to reassert itself. Understandable that men wish to retain their dominant position but depressing how many and how often women collude. This time under the specious adage of #bekind.

Oh, I've never said we're winning. Just that the other side aren't winning at a canter.

Look at all wars...Ukraine, Syria, Yemen, all kicking off in former French territories in Africa.

When is victory ever ascribed to either side?
Does Ukraine "win" when they hold back the Russians on multiple fronts? Or only when Putin vacates/is assassinated?

Or when a peace conference hands 1/3 of Ukrainian territory to Putin in the future?

There's never been anything other than an antagonised appearance of peace in Bosnia and Kosovo.

My take is that as each court case finds in favour of GCs, with outliers like SJB, as each trans chaos flare is seen by more and more of the public and they vote with their feet or answer in polls against Stonewall PoV eg Lia Thomas, Isla Bryson,Bud Light, and likely Róisín, and as academia is robustly challenged and found wanting (OU cases, near cancellation of Kath Stock at Oxford Uni debate), and people grow angrier about embedded gender/sexualisation lessons in schools the onslaught of TRA is weakened, and the landscape is cleared.

But it's an uncivil war, certainly to decades end.

TheFireflies · 03/09/2023 11:22

Sw66tP6a · 20/08/2023 15:03

One other thought: no-win-no-fee lawyers will always take on a case they believe they can win. I wonder why Almut hasn't gone down that route instead of going for crowdfunding. Could it be that there is doubt?

For someone scoring so highly in a law degree, surprising you’d think no-win no-fee lawyers would be involved in employment tribunals.

ArabeIIaScott · 03/09/2023 11:53

TheFireflies · 03/09/2023 11:22

For someone scoring so highly in a law degree, surprising you’d think no-win no-fee lawyers would be involved in employment tribunals.

Gosh, this is yet another thing to think on, isn't it?

Amazing and surprising how all these wee digs are adding up to paint a picture of Almut as an unreliable narrator.

DontGetEvenGetEverything · 03/09/2023 12:31

@FeedMeFood

She replied: "Well I don't know for a fact whether they saw it like that or not."

How is that inconsistent with Gadow's statement in OP? She didn't know so she asked questions (who does that + refer to? Why is this marking matrix designed the way it is?).
She was then told that asking these questions contributed to sackable offense.

So she still doesn't know, because noone answered her questions. They sacked her instead.

Gadow may well be wrong about MAP sympathisers / paedophilia normalisers in her department. That doesn't make her employment case illegitimate. It doesn't even make her questions to colleagues illegitimate. Why on earth couldn't they have answered her bloody questions, instead of reaching for the smelling salts then getting her fired?

Boiledbeetle · 03/09/2023 13:22

prefect time to do a little bit more gardening on this fine sunny afternoon.

Almut Gadow v Open University (again)
DrBlackbird · 03/09/2023 15:35

Definitely not disagreeing with you @RealityFan my comment was reflecting back on that Atlantic article. I’m very much hoping that sunlight helps with each case (as long as questioning doesn’t become a hate crime).

There is hope that SSSs may be reasserted and male born genderists politely told to exit female sport, prisons, shortlists, toilets etc.

What is tragic is that in the decades that it takes to reclaim the significance of sexed bodies, there will be the 100s/1000s of children and young adults doing irreversible harm to their bodies. Aided and abetted by schools and universities that espouse the primacy of a gendered identity over the immutability of a sexed body. That is what keeps me up at night.

The gender war is over in Britain apparently | Mumsnet

[[https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/uk-trans-rights-labour-party/674944 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/uk-trans-rig...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4883386-the-gender-war-is-over-in-britain-apparently

RealityFan · 03/09/2023 15:42

ArabeIIaScott · 03/09/2023 11:53

Gosh, this is yet another thing to think on, isn't it?

Amazing and surprising how all these wee digs are adding up to paint a picture of Almut as an unreliable narrator.

The only people that are unreliable are the TRA litigants when the spotlight on them in court causes them to have such little reliability, they need those four legged be-whiskered companions to lean on, and occasionally their poor mums.

I think we'll find Almut is totally reliable.

RealityFan · 03/09/2023 15:45

DrBlackbird · 03/09/2023 15:35

Definitely not disagreeing with you @RealityFan my comment was reflecting back on that Atlantic article. I’m very much hoping that sunlight helps with each case (as long as questioning doesn’t become a hate crime).

There is hope that SSSs may be reasserted and male born genderists politely told to exit female sport, prisons, shortlists, toilets etc.

What is tragic is that in the decades that it takes to reclaim the significance of sexed bodies, there will be the 100s/1000s of children and young adults doing irreversible harm to their bodies. Aided and abetted by schools and universities that espouse the primacy of a gendered identity over the immutability of a sexed body. That is what keeps me up at night.

Edited

I'm afraid the civic/civil war leaves a scarred landscape for years.

Not just damaged teens and young adults, their bodies and minds damaged. But also an elites class that can never recover their sunk costs.

And a population rapidly running out of confidence in the system, politicians, even doctors and scientists.

The human cost of damaged individuals and the existential cost of mass dislocation of trust in civic institutions.

AllElseFollows · 03/09/2023 18:22

I, for one, would very much like to see all this speculation tested in tribunal with full disclosure of documents from the OU.

More gardening for me this afternoon.

Sw66tP6a · 04/09/2023 08:50

I'm not doing a law degree. And I know from personal experience that no-win-no-fee lawyers do take on industrial tribunal cases.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 04/09/2023 09:03

Sw66tP6a · 04/09/2023 08:50

I'm not doing a law degree. And I know from personal experience that no-win-no-fee lawyers do take on industrial tribunal cases.

Big cases need specialist legal teams.

You must be huffing glue if you think a no win no fee lawyer is suitable.

No wonder you got marked down your legal unit, eh?

Sw66tP6a · 04/09/2023 10:12

"Big cases" - exactly. The woman wants the glory of a test case.
BTW, I've never done a law unit. Where did you get that from?

ArabeIIaScott · 04/09/2023 10:14

The woman wants the glory

Does she, aye?

Based · 04/09/2023 11:19

Sw66tP6a · 04/09/2023 10:12

"Big cases" - exactly. The woman wants the glory of a test case.
BTW, I've never done a law unit. Where did you get that from?

How cunning of "the woman".

Getting herself sacked on trumped up charges of gross misconduct, losing her job of many years, her career, her income, her ability to pay the mortgage, having her personal and professional reputation trashed everywhere - even on mumsnet.

And for that small price she bags herself "the glory of a test case". A few days ago @Sw66tP6a was telling us Almut Gadow's case was so weak no no-win no-fee lawyer would take it on. Today she tells us the case promises test case glory. Which one is it?

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 04/09/2023 11:42

Can’t wait for the made-for-tv drama Pea is directing inside Pea’s own head.

Who is going to play Almut?

IcakethereforeIam · 04/09/2023 11:53

Rumpoleonabender on the ROF quoted what I assume to be a long tweet thread. The 1st(?)

https://twitter.com/ObjectUK/status/1296185236305457159?s=20

It's worth a read. An OU course written by Gendered Intelligence which was withdrawn after being comprehensively destroyed by reasonable critics.

https://twitter.com/ObjectUK/status/1296185236305457159?s=20

Boiledbeetle · 04/09/2023 11:55

Sw66tP6a · 04/09/2023 10:12

"Big cases" - exactly. The woman wants the glory of a test case.
BTW, I've never done a law unit. Where did you get that from?

Have you ever had your own legal case? had to deal with the solicitors, and the crap coming from the other side? the stress of waiting months for anything to happen? wondering if you're going to have the money to pay the next bill due? worried about your reputation being dragged through the mud?

Any of that?

Do you think someone just trying to do their bog standard day to day job who was then sacked would put themselves through all this shit just for the kudos?

Fuck me!

OldCrone · 04/09/2023 14:28

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BTW, I've never done a law unit. Where did you get that from?

From your own earlier post.

If you haven't done a law unit, what do you mean when you say you were one of Almut Gadow's students, and why was she marking your work?

ArabeIIaScott · 04/09/2023 14:31

Based · 04/09/2023 11:19

How cunning of "the woman".

Getting herself sacked on trumped up charges of gross misconduct, losing her job of many years, her career, her income, her ability to pay the mortgage, having her personal and professional reputation trashed everywhere - even on mumsnet.

And for that small price she bags herself "the glory of a test case". A few days ago @Sw66tP6a was telling us Almut Gadow's case was so weak no no-win no-fee lawyer would take it on. Today she tells us the case promises test case glory. Which one is it?

I think the aim is to paint Almut Gadow as a nasty, no-good person, smear her character generally.

Which is where you presumably get the batshit idea she deliberately got herself sacked to appease her ego. Or something.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/09/2023 14:42

Cor it’s all going on over here

I love a bit of attempted Astro turfing, it’s always fun to watch it unravel

Helleofabore · 04/09/2023 15:26

OldCrone · 04/09/2023 14:28

BTW, I've never done a law unit. Where did you get that from?

From your own earlier post.

If you haven't done a law unit, what do you mean when you say you were one of Almut Gadow's students, and why was she marking your work?

I really thought I had imagined it…

Sw66tP6a · 04/09/2023 16:01

Very simple - she taught on more than one course.