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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Australia: Seven police interviewed, station raided over ‘false’ non-binary claims

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DerekFaker · 15/08/2023 14:34

I shouldn't laugh really. But I did.

Victoria Police officers have searched the force’s Frankston station and interviewed several officers accused of claiming to be non-binary to fraudulently claim more money for civilian clothing allowances.

Chief Commissioner Shane Patton announced a probe into the issue in July, after reports that some male officers had been rorting a discrepancy in the force’s clothing allowance by identifying as non-binary.

Under the scheme, female officers are entitled to claim about $1300 more than male colleagues.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/seven-police-interviewed-station-raided-over-false-non-binary-claims-20230815-p5dwso.html

Seven police interviewed, station raided over ‘false’ non-binary claims

Victoria Police has interviewed seven male officers accused of identifying as non-binary to exploit a $1300 force clothing allowance for women. 

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/seven-police-interviewed-station-raided-over-false-non-binary-claims-20230815-p5dwso.html

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/08/2023 08:23

Without suggesting these particular police officers were not "at it", (I believe that is the genderist-acceptable phrase pretending a gender identity you do not have, which as we all know never happens, except when it does), surely the more nonTRA/non trans people buy into genderwoo as "real" because it's what they learn in school, is backed by state and cultural institutions, the more many of those people will conclude they must be non binary?

In the real, nonwoo world, the state of not especially aligned to male or female stereotypes but with some parts of both pretty much describes all of us.

If the TRAs get what they (claim they) want, non binary will be the new normal. Extra clothes allowances for all!

AnSolas · 16/08/2023 09:12

If my maths is correct with 22,118 employees total, that is at least an extra payroll of 14.3m per annum (and policing is still a male dominated role)

ancientgran · 16/08/2023 22:12

AutumnCrow · 16/08/2023 01:17

As pp have said, the monetary difference has likely been set because of the 'pink tax' around the cost of women's clothes compared to men's.

And there will also be, for plain clothes police, a grooming code regarding appropriate wear. For women in some professions this still can include styles of shoe, tights, styles of skirts, jackets and blouses, manicured hands/nails, smart hair and make-up, scarves, bloody handbags and fitted long coats.

Men can get away with suits, shirts and ties, any old shoes and a raincoat.

The whole female grooming expectation is part of the 'third shift' of women's work.

I don't know about Australia but I used to work in a police station (not an officer civilian support) and my husband spent part of his service in CID. Never heard of a grooming code, people just dressed appropriately depending on the job they were doing. Male and female officers did get tokens for dry cleaning. No requirements about manicures or particular hairstyles. Thinking back most of the female officers I worked with had long hair they wore in a bun but most of the men had short hair. Scarves wouldn't be worn, strangling hazard and men wore clip on ties for the same reason if they wore a tie. I don't think women had special handbags for work just used a handbag like most of us would for work and I can't imagine they expected work to pay for it. They tended to be in cars lots of the time and actually the coats they wore were quite similar typical car coats not long fitted ones.

Totally agree with @DaphneDeloresMoreheadRidesOn

My husband couldn't get away with any old things, he is tall, needed shirts he got from a special place in London as otherwise the cuffs were half way up his arm, couldn't get an off the peg suit as they weren't long enough. Should he have got an extra allowance for being tall?

Iwasafool · 16/08/2023 22:15

AnSolas · 16/08/2023 09:12

If my maths is correct with 22,118 employees total, that is at least an extra payroll of 14.3m per annum (and policing is still a male dominated role)

Most officers will be in uniform so they won't get the allowance anyway from what I understand. Then there will be civilian support staff who probably won't get it. The figure is likely to be much less then 14.3m but still a significant figure.

NotYourCisterinAus · 16/08/2023 23:52

It's an education in where women stand in the Victorian government's scheme of things. Rapists in women's prisons? No biggie. A few police officers playing the system to get a bigger clothing allowance? FULL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION!

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