Are we in the minority now?

[EarthSight]

At first, people kept talking about the arts as a particular problematic industry when it came to having to go along with political group think, and with having to declare pronouns, but now it's everywhere. The charity sector, community work, healthcare, tech, construction, sustainability, government, local authorities, construction, and it goes on. I'd say the majority of professionals I see online on social networking channels have pronouns in their bio. I'd say 70%, possibly more in some industries.

It's mainly the associated implications that bother me, the feeling you have to watch your back, the sense of being policed and having to be very, very careful in the working environment (and outside of it actually). From listening to true believers of the gender faith, I think they would be quite glad if their workplace seemed an unwelcoming place to a gender critical prospective employee, even if that employee was very pleasant to be around and kept to themselves. The fact that you don't believe the same things they do, inside your own head, is enough of a workplace issue for them.

Is there a industry this that hasn't been been affected by all of this in a widespread way?

I work in one of those listed professions and hell will freeze over before that she/her shite goes anywhere near my email signature. I dare them to request it. Any wet wipe that includes it on theirs (my own male manager why!) automatically loses all my respect.

I think there is a big difference between the number of people who are GC and the number of people who are able to be open about it.

In my workplace 6 of the 8 of us in my team are GC. We daren't speak openly because of the 8th person.

I also work in one of the listed professions and very recently attended an online networking event. Only 1 person had their pronouns listed. She was the only white person (guest speaker) there. Most of us in the organisation just do a big eye roll when we see pronouns. I recently heard a senior manager tell his boss that he had to attend an online training session on "equality blah" because "I've heard it a hundred times and they (edi) treat us like we were born yesterday".

I'm in a quasi government sector, no one in my organisation has pronouns in their bio, I have lots of contact with professionals from the NHS and local authority, very very few list pronouns. It is only ever women.

The pronoun bios come and go in waves.
I find the demographic with the pronoun bios are usually from mainland Europe who seem ashamed of their country's past homophobia. They are quick to let go of those shackles and very relieved to embrace acceptance.
Which I applaud but it takes a long time for them to realise that there is much more that they've accepted. Which leads to a refusal to reject anything because that's what their country did in the past...

Yes, my industry, office full of blokes 23 years - 40, I'm in my 50s and a cervix haver :o), not one of them thinks that a women has a penis, they all think the whole thing is nuts! They don't go on about it, but they let me have my daily 15 min rant! I also very subtlety bring it up with clients too... in an unambiguous way to see peoples response, most that have picked up on my leading comments, roll their eyes and make a comment back that let's me know they likely think like me.... some I'll even have in depth chats with about it. I'm very lucky, as I don't think I could bare to work somewhere I had to keep quiet and go along with it. I really sympathise with all of you that do. Hopefully it'll be easier to speak up, now that the sport side of it had come up a bit in the mainstream media, and the mainstream media are reporting on it more, here's hoping!

My take is that it's a minority of those within captured industries that are pushing pronouns and the like and having a big effect on policy.

Whereas the majority working at these institutions either don't actually agree with the sentiment or haven't really thought about it much.

Company I work for has about 300 employees. No pronouns. I must receive a couple of hundred emails a day across all sectors, perhaps once a month I will see pronouns in their signature. I honestly think this shit is not as common as we are led to believe. Also, ten women in my office, all GC, not one who believes TWAW. We can speak out loud, and often do. I honestly feel so bad for any sensible women who have to put up and shut up at work. Frightening really.

Every time I go on a Zoom call lately (not work) I'm heartened to see that very few have pronouns in sigs. I remember during the lockdowns that over half did (including myself for a very brief period as I didn't have the arguments to go against the push)

Try being in publishing 🙄

It's everywhere in my industry. So few of us haven't followed it that we've essentially flagged ourselves as Terfs. For me, this is fine.

Very few pronouns in bios at my employer, and much confusion and GC-leaning discussion when someone in the open plan office receives an email with pronouns. I also have friends who put pronouns in either work email or social media profiles, but I know from speaking with them (and their ongoing willingness to be friends with me!) that they're actually fairly/ very sceptical about it all.

This is replicated across the land.

Was at the Edinburgh Festival. You'd think it was the hub of lgbtqiawtfery+ (what with it also being wildly middle-class, coincidentally), but I was happy to overhear some Gen Z students mock the whole thing by wondering where the ladyboys of Bangkok would fit into the acronym, saying the L and B were already taken, and also asking what the other letters even stood for and why it keeps getting stupidly longer. Got the impression they wanted nothing to do with any of the woo and found it all very cringe.

I actually wondered that too about the lady boys of Bangkok! I saw them years ago and wondered about this recently as they are very good at looking like women and that's their whole MO yet they never say they actually "are" real women! So it shows up a bit this new belief system.

This! I always quietly cheer when i
see an nhs signature with no pronouns in it because I know how much this stuff is shovelled at them and pushed hard

Maybe I need to reframe my thoughts and instead of eye rolling at those that do, give an inward cheer for those that don't.

I’m in a science based industry and there are very few pronouns in signatures, less than 5% I’d say. Certainly none in my immediate team and reporting structure.

Sometimes they are helpful if they are in the signatures of international colleagues where it’s not clear if they’re men’s or women’s names. But I’ve also corresponded with international colleagues not knowing if they’re a man or woman and I’ve realised it makes no difference anyway to the work.

I work for the NHS and my organisation encouraged us to use pronouns in our emails, I can think of only one person that did. All my colleagues are GC and no one who I have spoken to IRL believes TWAW/TMAM, no one.

EDI has infiltrated widely, OP, not belief in the actual gender ideology. Far from it.

And EDI is a scam, a grift, that is now being rooted out, thank god.

I work for a large firm that has 'drag queen brunch' (boak!)
The pronoun people are always the ones doing very little work and spending more time running around seeing how they can get their face in front of execs for frivolous things..also creating unnecessary paperwork and process.
The moment I see one in an email signature I know they'll be useless at solving any issues encountered.

In my workplace it's left up to us - no-one pressured to have pronouns in bio - a couple do but most don't.

I wouldn't be very public about GC views as I actually find it useful to listen to what people are saying on the topic.

I'm in libraries, in Canada, the majority have pronouns in their signatures. Though in the system I'm in right now, the proportion is a little less. I suspect it's because our head librarian is an older man and doesn't push edi stuff generally. It's not that he comes out as opposed, he's a guy on a very even keel who keeps politics out of things. Old school librarian really.

Some of the younger librarians, especially the women, are super into it though. They see librarians as being a social justice vehicle and safe space. When we get asked about training, they always want more edi. (As an aside, it boggles me that they enjoy this, the training is always so condescending and useless.) I'm really hoping he doesn't retire before some of this stuff begins to wane.

Among the lower level staff, you don't see signatures at all much so it's not clear who buys in, but I would say that it's more evenly divided among the skeptics and believers. That seems to go for the women and the men, though the latter are a real minority.

One thing I've noticed is of the people who do buy into it all, about 95% actually know little or nothing about it. They totally accept the narrative that it is all well established medically, people are really born in the wrong body, and so on. The remaining few are people who see themselves as non-binary, or recent university grads. Still believe it all but know the ideology is way more complex.