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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are we in the minority now?

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EarthSight · 12/08/2023 22:26

At first, people kept talking about the arts as a particular problematic industry when it came to having to go along with political group think, and with having to declare pronouns, but now it's everywhere. The charity sector, community work, healthcare, tech, construction, sustainability, government, local authorities, construction, and it goes on. I'd say the majority of professionals I see online on social networking channels have pronouns in their bio. I'd say 70%, possibly more in some industries.

It's mainly the associated implications that bother me, the feeling you have to watch your back, the sense of being policed and having to be very, very careful in the working environment (and outside of it actually). From listening to true believers of the gender faith, I think they would be quite glad if their workplace seemed an unwelcoming place to a gender critical prospective employee, even if that employee was very pleasant to be around and kept to themselves. The fact that you don't believe the same things they do, inside your own head, is enough of a workplace issue for them.

Is there a industry this that hasn't been been affected by all of this in a widespread way?

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EldenRing4 · 19/08/2023 14:44

Feckedupbundle · 19/08/2023 14:38

Agriculture is so far untouched by Genderwoo.
Three people, completely unprompted by me,brought up how bonkers the trans nonsense is in one day this week,whilst in conversation. Last week my mum was talking about not using shop's fitting rooms because of who might be lurking in there.
I think most people can see that the emperor has no clothes,but are wary about saying it unless they know they won't get censored for it.

Not to be contrary but as great as this is I wouldn't use agriculture as an example. They seem to be very far in the opposite direction.
DH's family are all in agriculture, every family event revolves around farm stuff and they have no problem referring to women as 'dykes' or mocking gay people. His mother even said to me ... about neighbours.. 'they're gay BUT very nice people'. What's that all about?
Haven't even started about the racism and casual slurs...

EldenRing4 · 19/08/2023 14:45

*by they I don't mean just his family but the people we meet there in general.

EldenRing4 · 19/08/2023 14:46

*as in we get invited to tractor pulls, visit this or that farm etc etc and are always meeting other industry people because they are all friends. If it was just his family, fine but taht's not my experience...

Ingenieur · 19/08/2023 17:41

@DontYouThreatenMeWithADeadFish

Don't be so sure about engineering, particularly consulting.

We have a DIE department and regularly receive comms from them about appropriate speech, affirmation, pronouns and the rest.

In our marketing collateral guide they warn against using too many pictures of "old white men", which to me discriminates on the grounds of three proptected characteristics...

They haven't mentioned pronouns in signatures yet, but I'm preparing my response for the inevitable.

Goodviibrations · 19/08/2023 17:53

Yes, two major engineering companies are in Stonewall's top 10.

Tallisker · 19/08/2023 17:53

Feckedupbundle · 19/08/2023 14:38

Agriculture is so far untouched by Genderwoo.
Three people, completely unprompted by me,brought up how bonkers the trans nonsense is in one day this week,whilst in conversation. Last week my mum was talking about not using shop's fitting rooms because of who might be lurking in there.
I think most people can see that the emperor has no clothes,but are wary about saying it unless they know they won't get censored for it.

And yet Defra is absolutely riddled with it. That would indicate a pretty big gulf between industry and policy! Tough one.

EarthSight · 19/08/2023 20:53

DontYouThreatenMeWithADeadFish · 19/08/2023 13:36

I work in engineering and the only pronoun email signatures I have seen are from our American offices and even then it is sporadic. I feel confident enough to have discussions in the office about gender ideology without fear of repercussions. I guess my office is full of quite sporty types who are utterly fed up with the fact it was a battle to get sports governing bodies to recognise the absurdity of transwomen in women's sports. As others have pointed out already I lose a lot of respect for people who use pronouns in their professional correspondence.

It's absoloutely everywhere in green tech and sustainability.

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