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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Princess Grace Hospital, London. Trans nurse.

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Busubaba · 12/08/2023 09:03

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12398959/Retired-solicitor-left-deaths-door-surgery-cancelled-dared-object-trans-woman-nurse-hospital-room-tells-shocking-story-vowing-cancel-Im-not-scared-speak-out.html

The scarlet lipstick was the first thing that stood out. It continues to baffle Teresa Steele today.
‘I was transfixed by it because it seemed newly applied,’ she explains.
‘You know when you have bright red lipstick with a very clearly defined edge? It doesn’t last. It has to be reapplied. This lipstick looked as if it had just been done.
‘With the rest of the heavy make-up — and there was a lot of eye make-up, too — and the blonde wig, my first thought was that this was a patient who had got lost. It was about 6.30pm, so I remember thinking specifically that it was a patient leaving, on their way to a night out.’
This was not a patient. The person who had knocked on the door and simultaneously entered the hospital treatment room where Teresa had been undergoing pre-operation assessments, including intimate swabs, was a nurse — but not a nurse who had anything to do with Teresa’s care.

'The whole situation was just peculiar, most unnatural. The nurse who was already in the room with me indicated that the room was occupied. There was a brief exchange.
‘I don’t know what exactly was said, but instead of just backing out or saying “Oh, sorry”, as you’d expect, the person lingered and made eye contact, which again I found odd and disconcerting.
‘As soon as he had started to speak, though, it had confirmed my first thoughts — that it was a man.’
Actually, the nurse was a trans woman, but already at this early point in our interview — an interview about how potentially dangerous it can be when trans rights clash with women’s rights in a hospital setting — we get into trouble with language.
‘I won’t say “she”,’ insists Teresa, when we get into the inevitable tangle about pronouns.
‘I won’t buy into this language. Obviously if I were speaking to this person directly, I would observe courtesy by using their chosen name. But in certain contexts, I reserve the right to call him a man, because he is a man.
‘I believe — and I know it is now seen as controversial, but it is biological fact — that even if a man has surgery (and the majority do not; they keep their penises) it does not make them a woman.

One of the reasons this issue has become so contentious is that people are totally confused by the language of gender ideology and are afraid to just state facts they already know.’
We shall return to Teresa’s views on this, but to go back to less controversial ground for a moment, the indisputable facts of this complex, but important, story are as follows.
Former solicitor Teresa this week claimed she almost died when the private hospital involved in her care, The Princess Grace Hospital in London, cancelled an essential operation because, after the incident with the nurse entering her room, she had demanded same-sex care — a right enshrined by law. ‘I am interested in the law in this area,’ she stresses.
The hospital originally accused Teresa of discrimination against the nurse — although it has since apologised for this, admitting that what happened was a breach of her privacy.
Yet as a ‘punishment’ for her gender-critical views — or, as Teresa puts it, “my disbelief in gender ideology” — she faced the ultimate cancellation when her operation was scrapped last October.
‘Which is a huge deal in a hospital,’ she points out. ‘Two leading surgeons, and their teams, were stood down. It was done at such a late stage that another team — of robotic experts, in a different location — turned up, only to be turned away.
‘A high-dependency ward space, robotic suite and open-surgery suite were left lying empty. I dread to think of the costs involved.’
The non-financial costs could have been incalculable, too.

By the time she was finally operated on, only after mass demonstrations by supporters appalled by her situation, Teresa’s condition had deteriorated and she had developed an abscess, which caused complications.
‘I was at death’s door. My weight had plummeted and I was in intense pain. I had been rushed to A&E but it was only once surgery was done three weeks later that they discovered the complications. It was high drama, with another, fourth, surgeon having to get involved remotely by camera link.’
The problems also extended her recovery period by months. She still has lasting effects today.

I believe this happened simply because I hold views that are based on biological fact. I was the one who was discriminated against.’
You could forgive Teresa for wishing she’d never gone public with her story. She has since discovered just how toxic the gender-identity issue is.
On a radio phone-in she was called a bigot. On Twitter, the broadcaster Narinder Kaur said ‘What an entitled brat’.
Teresa is now reporting Kaur to the police for online harassment. Others revelled in her ill health, saying that they wished she had died on the operating table.

She is shaken when we speak, but still determined to tell her full story, even though there are family members who fear for her safety.
‘I hope I won’t be physically attacked,’ she says. ‘But it underlines why we should have been having this debate five years ago. What is happening in our hospitals is scandalous, and it has been implemented by stealth.’
Teresa’s insistence that she is in the right has been strengthened, she says, by the stories of other women who have come to her in the belief that they, too, have been victims of a disturbing agenda — driven, she feels, by trans activism.
‘This story isn’t about me, but about access to healthcare being compromised because the rights of employees with special identities are being put above the rights of women patients — often vulnerable women, who are perhaps disabled, whose culture means they require same-sex care.

‘They are fully entitled to ask for this. I am in contact with a woman who has been threatened with the removal of her disabled daughter’s care package if she doesn’t accept that a man does her intimate care. That is wrong.’
Teresa has the option of legal action, but has said she would waive proceedings if the hospital puts in place protection for other patients ‘and brings its policy in line with the Equality Act’.
She is also calling on HCA, one of the UK’s largest private healthcare firms (which owns The Princess Grace and also provides services to the NHS), to ensure vulnerable patients are given protection regarding their sex-based rights.

‘I stress “sex-based rights”, but in policy documents I have read, you will find the word “sex” changed to “gender”. A completely different thing.
‘There are something like 109 recognised gender identities, including furry animal identity. I don’t think most people have the faintest idea what is going on in some hospitals where diversity apparatchiks have quietly rewritten policy, which is outside the Equality Act.
‘My experience is that senior medical staff frequently have no idea this has been done.’

For the past ten months Teresa has been working with HCA in an attempt to advise on a review of its policies, but she has now gone public after it refused to commit to a time frame. Who is Teresa Steele? Her critics will deem her a ‘terf’ (a trans-exclusionary radical feminist) who has an agenda.
Her background is certainly a factor in this story, but not necessarily for the reasons her opponents think.
Before retraining as a solicitor, she worked as a biochemist. ‘My background is science,’ she explains. ‘I have two degrees, in immunology and forensic science. I think like a scientist. I am a rationalist.’
Her opinions on gender identity are informed ones, she says. ‘Not one academic paper, and I have read many, has convinced me that anyone can be born in the wrong body.
I’ve yet to see a shred of evidence that gender ideology is anything more than a belief system. It’s a quasi-religion.’
When she retired, after a stint as a solicitor, Teresa became involved in the women’s rights movement. Her particular area of expertise? Hospitals and single-sex spaces.
She spearheaded a high-profile investigation, later taken up by the Women’s Rights Network, into violence against women in hospitals.
It supported the work of Baroness Nicholson, who campaigned against the controversial NHS Annex B policy, which means that a biological male could be accommodated with female patients on female wards (and vice versa) if requested by a patient who self-identifies as a gender not aligned to their biological sex.
This was not specifically about the trans issue, but obviously there was overlap because the question about how to protect women from male violence, while upholding the rights of men who identify as women, is a difficult one.

She no longer works, admitting her health problems have been a factor. ‘As a retiree, I do not have a job that I can be sacked from for expressing views that are deemed controversial. I am in the unusual position of being able to speak out. Very few women are able to do that, in this climate, without risking their livelihoods.’
It was last summer when the political became personal.
Long-term medical investigations revealed that Teresa needed major abdominal surgery.
When it came to filling in a standard assessment questionnaire, Teresa put her cards on the table. She said she would not use gender-neutral toilets. ‘I also said that I would not agree to use pronouns or otherwise engage with such manifestations of gender ideology.’

She now believes that by ‘outing’ herself as gender-critical — or ‘a non-believer in gender ideology’ as she puts it — she made herself a target.
She also suspects that the arrival of the trans nurse in her examination room was deliberate (the hospital insists it was an inadvertent mistake, and that the nurse in question would have had no sight of her admission questionnaire).
‘Obviously I have no proof,’ Teresa says. ‘But it was a strange coincidence.’
One made all the more striking by the scarlet lipstick. Was what the nurse was wearing — on her lips or otherwise — even relevant in this case?

It’s a separate issue, but related. I was shocked by the hyper-sexual nature of it and, since the incident, I have asked if a female nurse would have been allowed to wear so much make-up.
‘I don’t feel it was appropriate, and that different standards were applied to a man than they would have been to a woman. Again, if you dare to raise things like this, you are called “transphobic”.
‘My issue is about single-sex spaces for women. I would accept a third space rather than having men invading women’s spaces and making them mixed sex.’

Some have felt Teresa over-reacted, and that everything that has happened since then is the result of making a mountain out of a molehill.

Immediately afterwards, though, she expressed shock at the intrusion and shared her feelings of discomfort with the (biologically female) nurse in the room.
When further forms had to be filled in, she wrote in Biro that she was now requesting same-sex care for the intimate care that would be required after her surgery.
‘There was a green marker pen on the table and I lifted it to underline my words,’ she recalls.
‘I said to the nurse, “I bet I am not the first person to have done this.” She was clearly embarrassed and very nervous.’

There is no suggestion that this nurse agreed with Teresa, but the former solicitor insists that contact with other healthcare employees since has confirmed her view that this is a wider issue.
‘Women do not like it,’ she says. It? ‘Feeling that if they ask for women nurses they have to accept men identifying as women.’
When she got home, Teresa emailed a patient dignity breach complaint about the trans nurse entering the room without permission, reiterating her request for same-sex care.
She also asked for an assurance that, after her operation, all male staff except for her consultant’s surgical team would only enter the room with her prior agreement.

Given that there clearly had been a privacy breach, you might imagine the hospital would have been keen to smooth over the incident.
Yet, two days later, Teresa was astounded to open an email from Maxine Estop Green, the hospital’s CEO, saying: ‘We do not share your beliefs and are not able to adhere to your requests.’
She informed Teresa that the operation was being cancelled, and told her to make alternative arrangements. Emails between staff that have emerged since — and have been seen by this newspaper — discussed that they ‘perceive the patient’s request and rationale as a discrimination on gender and sex against… hospital employees’.
‘I was utterly shocked,’ says Teresa. ‘I didn’t actually find out until the Saturday — two days before my operation. I had been given a prescription for medication which I was having trouble getting hold of and had spent the Friday ringing the hospital, asking for help, but it was only the next day when a receptionist told me: “Actually your operation isn’t going ahead. The CEO has sent you an email”.

Only then did I look at my emails. That was unforgivable, to tell me like that, with no discussion. I was frantic, but nobody at the hospital would take my call.’
She is horrified by social media speculation that she risked her own life by putting her principles before her health. ‘I would never have done that. I wanted, needed, this operation. It was not my choice to cancel it, and it never occurred to me that they would.
‘What sort of message does it send — if you dare to hold the belief that people cannot change sex, an Equality Act-protected belief, you have no right to healthcare?’

This case is significant because rarely do these simmering issues boil over so publicly. It could well be that this is a one-off — a very unusual set of circumstances and clashing personalities. Teresa isn’t convinced.

This isn’t just happening to me. It is happening to women who are much more vulnerable than I am. The only difference is that they are too scared to speak out. I am not.’

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HermioneWeasley · 12/08/2023 09:05

What happened to her is horrific and I hope she sues and gets awarded huge compensation. It’s the only thing that will change the behaviour of these woman hating organisations

Sunnava · 12/08/2023 09:10

I am so glad she has survived.

Busubaba · 12/08/2023 09:15

It's appalling.

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Caughtinlove · 12/08/2023 09:15

She sounds amazing - well done to her for being prepared to stand up for her beliefs.

pickledandpuzzled · 12/08/2023 09:18

Has there been another similar story- private hospital, cancellation- or is the original story still ongoing?

It certainly was shocking. Appalling breach of care.

Sisterpita · 12/08/2023 09:21

I’m glad she had the operation and is recovering. Good for her standing up to be counted.

AnnaMagnani · 12/08/2023 09:27

This is awful.

FWIW I used to work with a male to female trans nurse. This was back in the day before this was discussed at all and we were quite worried about how it would work.

However she was brilliant. She would never had turned up wearing loads of makeup as it was a professional environment. She was incredibly caring and good at her job. As a result she was very popular with patients. And if someone had asked for another nurse she would have had no problem with it at all and just moved on with her day. People deciding they want a different nurse is a normal part of working in healthcare, you don't take it personally, you just move on.

She was actually living 'trans people just want to get on with their lives' - she was there to be a nurse so got on with nursing.

Of course this was 10+ years ago before transactivism came along and basically ruined it for everyone.

donquixotedelamancha · 12/08/2023 09:31

pickledandpuzzled · 12/08/2023 09:18

Has there been another similar story- private hospital, cancellation- or is the original story still ongoing?

It certainly was shocking. Appalling breach of care.

Pretty sure this is the same one and the mail is now covering it.

Datun · 12/08/2023 09:31

When she retired, after a stint as a solicitor, Teresa became involved in the women’s rights movement. Her particular area of expertise? Hospitals and single-sex spaces.

There's some fierce serendipity going on there

Weefreetiffany · 12/08/2023 09:31

So they will treat racists, rapists and child abusers no questions asked, but not a woman who wanted same sex intimate care? Am I understanding it correctly?

loislovesstewie · 12/08/2023 09:31

What I find concerning is that the trans nurse had no business being in the room. My conclusion was that he just decided to engage in a bit of voyeurism. BTW, a doctor did this to me many years ago when I was stripped to the waist, he had no business being in that treatment room, I found out later he had form for taking liberties. He came in to ask the person dealing with me an unnecessary question to be clear.

ArabeIIaScott · 12/08/2023 09:32

She was treated appallingly. In some ways the nurse that the story focuses on is irrelevant - any patient can ask for same sex care and that should be an unexceptional request. The NHS acknowledges many people prefer same sex care.

The behaviour of the hospital was outrageous.

Datun · 12/08/2023 09:32

Weefreetiffany · 12/08/2023 09:31

So they will treat racists, rapists and child abusers no questions asked, but not a woman who wanted same sex intimate care? Am I understanding it correctly?

You are.

Boomboom22 · 12/08/2023 09:36

Weefreetiffany · 12/08/2023 09:31

So they will treat racists, rapists and child abusers no questions asked, but not a woman who wanted same sex intimate care? Am I understanding it correctly?

Exactly this. Because only women are denied medical treatment because if their views, for offenders in prison it is their human right.

Boomboom22 · 12/08/2023 09:37

Some heads need to roll for the we do not share your views comment.
What, the legal view that same sex care should be provided?

Datun · 12/08/2023 09:38

ArabeIIaScott · 12/08/2023 09:32

She was treated appallingly. In some ways the nurse that the story focuses on is irrelevant - any patient can ask for same sex care and that should be an unexceptional request. The NHS acknowledges many people prefer same sex care.

The behaviour of the hospital was outrageous.

They knew her views and the nurse would have known they specifically applied to him tho.

She spearheaded a high-profile investigation, later taken up by the Women’s Rights Network, into violence against women in hospitals.

It supported the work of Baroness Nicholson, who campaigned against the controversial NHS Annex B policy

When it came to filling in a standard assessment questionnaire, Teresa put her cards on the table. She said she would not use gender-neutral toilets. ‘I also said that I would not agree to use pronouns or otherwise engage with such manifestations of gender ideology.’

She now believes that by ‘outing’ herself as gender-critical — or ‘a non-believer in gender ideology’ as she puts it — she made herself a target.

pickledandpuzzled · 12/08/2023 09:48

Weefreetiffany · 12/08/2023 09:31

So they will treat racists, rapists and child abusers no questions asked, but not a woman who wanted same sex intimate care? Am I understanding it correctly?

Well, it depends whether the racists and rapists etc are asking for special treatment.

Presumably they don't allow a racist to choose the ethnicity of staff caring for them. Though I hope they'd allow some staff to refuse to treat a racist. Or would they?

I entirely support the woman in this case. I'm just not sure that treating criminals is a suitable comparitor.

Dinopawus · 12/08/2023 09:59

ArabeIIaScott · 12/08/2023 09:32

She was treated appallingly. In some ways the nurse that the story focuses on is irrelevant - any patient can ask for same sex care and that should be an unexceptional request. The NHS acknowledges many people prefer same sex care.

The behaviour of the hospital was outrageous.

Actually I think there are two important issues here.

A) Women's choices being respected. In this case re the sex of their HCP.

B) The privacy and dignity of all patients. HCP do not get to wander in on people they are not providing care for, just to get their sexual kicks. See Jimmy Saville.

MassiveWordSalad · 12/08/2023 10:10

loislovesstewie · 12/08/2023 09:31

What I find concerning is that the trans nurse had no business being in the room. My conclusion was that he just decided to engage in a bit of voyeurism. BTW, a doctor did this to me many years ago when I was stripped to the waist, he had no business being in that treatment room, I found out later he had form for taking liberties. He came in to ask the person dealing with me an unnecessary question to be clear.

I suspect that the nurse was aware of Teresa Steele and her position and was making a point or trying to intimidate her. It would be an uncanny coincidence for this particular nurse to happen to wander in on this particular patient for his kicks.

The alternative is that this nurse happens to be entering the rooms of women he is not caring for on a regular basis and that there is a good chance it could happen to any female patient in this hospital, which is a terrifying prospect. Imagine a hospital turning a blind eye to that kind of behaviour regularly, in the name of gender ideology.

Faffertea · 12/08/2023 10:13

It’s a private hospital so the NHS constitution doesn’t apply here. I guess as long as they work within the law it’s u to them who they treat. And I sincerely hope they suffer reputations damage and loss of business from this.

NHS staff are obliged to treat everyone regardless of how abhorrent they or their beliefs are and that includes rapists, paedophiles, racists etc. That includes BAME staff having to treat someone who is rascist. If the patient was then abusive to a staff member then in theory the NHS zero tolerance to abuse should come in but anyone who works in especially GP practices, A&E staff will tell you in practice that policy is not used as often as it should.

In practice if I had a patient I know is racist or potentially a threat to members of staff we would have a policy where either that patient is not seen by staff members they may be abusive to or not be seen by that staff member alone.

Trying to get patients even those who have physically assaulted staff removed from a practice list (off listed) is incredibly difficult and we face a lot of pressure from NHSE to keep them on.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/08/2023 10:15

I find the overt makeup thing very strange.

Usually the makeup worn by HCPs is quite subtle.

MassiveWordSalad · 12/08/2023 10:20

Not to derail, but regarding Jimmy Saville - I know someone who was a student nurse in Leeds many years ago as a young woman, who was warned about him and advised to stay out of his way. It was common knowledge amongst the staff, but they couldn't speak out due to the position of privilege he had.

It's hard to imagine all those young women, as they all were in those days, just starting their careers and having to accept that his actions were just a fact of life and that they just had to get on with things without kicking up a fuss ConfusedAngry

Parseley · 12/08/2023 10:24

The NHS being paid for by the general public should be fucking neutral!! What is going on.

Parseley · 12/08/2023 10:24

Ok if this was private but I believe that anyway.

MNetcurtains · 12/08/2023 10:24

It would be interesting to know how they would have dealt with this if it was a muslim woman. Head exploding emoji