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The Princess Grace Hospital, London. Trans nurse.

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Busubaba · 12/08/2023 09:03

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12398959/Retired-solicitor-left-deaths-door-surgery-cancelled-dared-object-trans-woman-nurse-hospital-room-tells-shocking-story-vowing-cancel-Im-not-scared-speak-out.html

The scarlet lipstick was the first thing that stood out. It continues to baffle Teresa Steele today.
‘I was transfixed by it because it seemed newly applied,’ she explains.
‘You know when you have bright red lipstick with a very clearly defined edge? It doesn’t last. It has to be reapplied. This lipstick looked as if it had just been done.
‘With the rest of the heavy make-up — and there was a lot of eye make-up, too — and the blonde wig, my first thought was that this was a patient who had got lost. It was about 6.30pm, so I remember thinking specifically that it was a patient leaving, on their way to a night out.’
This was not a patient. The person who had knocked on the door and simultaneously entered the hospital treatment room where Teresa had been undergoing pre-operation assessments, including intimate swabs, was a nurse — but not a nurse who had anything to do with Teresa’s care.

'The whole situation was just peculiar, most unnatural. The nurse who was already in the room with me indicated that the room was occupied. There was a brief exchange.
‘I don’t know what exactly was said, but instead of just backing out or saying “Oh, sorry”, as you’d expect, the person lingered and made eye contact, which again I found odd and disconcerting.
‘As soon as he had started to speak, though, it had confirmed my first thoughts — that it was a man.’
Actually, the nurse was a trans woman, but already at this early point in our interview — an interview about how potentially dangerous it can be when trans rights clash with women’s rights in a hospital setting — we get into trouble with language.
‘I won’t say “she”,’ insists Teresa, when we get into the inevitable tangle about pronouns.
‘I won’t buy into this language. Obviously if I were speaking to this person directly, I would observe courtesy by using their chosen name. But in certain contexts, I reserve the right to call him a man, because he is a man.
‘I believe — and I know it is now seen as controversial, but it is biological fact — that even if a man has surgery (and the majority do not; they keep their penises) it does not make them a woman.

One of the reasons this issue has become so contentious is that people are totally confused by the language of gender ideology and are afraid to just state facts they already know.’
We shall return to Teresa’s views on this, but to go back to less controversial ground for a moment, the indisputable facts of this complex, but important, story are as follows.
Former solicitor Teresa this week claimed she almost died when the private hospital involved in her care, The Princess Grace Hospital in London, cancelled an essential operation because, after the incident with the nurse entering her room, she had demanded same-sex care — a right enshrined by law. ‘I am interested in the law in this area,’ she stresses.
The hospital originally accused Teresa of discrimination against the nurse — although it has since apologised for this, admitting that what happened was a breach of her privacy.
Yet as a ‘punishment’ for her gender-critical views — or, as Teresa puts it, “my disbelief in gender ideology” — she faced the ultimate cancellation when her operation was scrapped last October.
‘Which is a huge deal in a hospital,’ she points out. ‘Two leading surgeons, and their teams, were stood down. It was done at such a late stage that another team — of robotic experts, in a different location — turned up, only to be turned away.
‘A high-dependency ward space, robotic suite and open-surgery suite were left lying empty. I dread to think of the costs involved.’
The non-financial costs could have been incalculable, too.

By the time she was finally operated on, only after mass demonstrations by supporters appalled by her situation, Teresa’s condition had deteriorated and she had developed an abscess, which caused complications.
‘I was at death’s door. My weight had plummeted and I was in intense pain. I had been rushed to A&E but it was only once surgery was done three weeks later that they discovered the complications. It was high drama, with another, fourth, surgeon having to get involved remotely by camera link.’
The problems also extended her recovery period by months. She still has lasting effects today.

I believe this happened simply because I hold views that are based on biological fact. I was the one who was discriminated against.’
You could forgive Teresa for wishing she’d never gone public with her story. She has since discovered just how toxic the gender-identity issue is.
On a radio phone-in she was called a bigot. On Twitter, the broadcaster Narinder Kaur said ‘What an entitled brat’.
Teresa is now reporting Kaur to the police for online harassment. Others revelled in her ill health, saying that they wished she had died on the operating table.

She is shaken when we speak, but still determined to tell her full story, even though there are family members who fear for her safety.
‘I hope I won’t be physically attacked,’ she says. ‘But it underlines why we should have been having this debate five years ago. What is happening in our hospitals is scandalous, and it has been implemented by stealth.’
Teresa’s insistence that she is in the right has been strengthened, she says, by the stories of other women who have come to her in the belief that they, too, have been victims of a disturbing agenda — driven, she feels, by trans activism.
‘This story isn’t about me, but about access to healthcare being compromised because the rights of employees with special identities are being put above the rights of women patients — often vulnerable women, who are perhaps disabled, whose culture means they require same-sex care.

‘They are fully entitled to ask for this. I am in contact with a woman who has been threatened with the removal of her disabled daughter’s care package if she doesn’t accept that a man does her intimate care. That is wrong.’
Teresa has the option of legal action, but has said she would waive proceedings if the hospital puts in place protection for other patients ‘and brings its policy in line with the Equality Act’.
She is also calling on HCA, one of the UK’s largest private healthcare firms (which owns The Princess Grace and also provides services to the NHS), to ensure vulnerable patients are given protection regarding their sex-based rights.

‘I stress “sex-based rights”, but in policy documents I have read, you will find the word “sex” changed to “gender”. A completely different thing.
‘There are something like 109 recognised gender identities, including furry animal identity. I don’t think most people have the faintest idea what is going on in some hospitals where diversity apparatchiks have quietly rewritten policy, which is outside the Equality Act.
‘My experience is that senior medical staff frequently have no idea this has been done.’

For the past ten months Teresa has been working with HCA in an attempt to advise on a review of its policies, but she has now gone public after it refused to commit to a time frame. Who is Teresa Steele? Her critics will deem her a ‘terf’ (a trans-exclusionary radical feminist) who has an agenda.
Her background is certainly a factor in this story, but not necessarily for the reasons her opponents think.
Before retraining as a solicitor, she worked as a biochemist. ‘My background is science,’ she explains. ‘I have two degrees, in immunology and forensic science. I think like a scientist. I am a rationalist.’
Her opinions on gender identity are informed ones, she says. ‘Not one academic paper, and I have read many, has convinced me that anyone can be born in the wrong body.
I’ve yet to see a shred of evidence that gender ideology is anything more than a belief system. It’s a quasi-religion.’
When she retired, after a stint as a solicitor, Teresa became involved in the women’s rights movement. Her particular area of expertise? Hospitals and single-sex spaces.
She spearheaded a high-profile investigation, later taken up by the Women’s Rights Network, into violence against women in hospitals.
It supported the work of Baroness Nicholson, who campaigned against the controversial NHS Annex B policy, which means that a biological male could be accommodated with female patients on female wards (and vice versa) if requested by a patient who self-identifies as a gender not aligned to their biological sex.
This was not specifically about the trans issue, but obviously there was overlap because the question about how to protect women from male violence, while upholding the rights of men who identify as women, is a difficult one.

She no longer works, admitting her health problems have been a factor. ‘As a retiree, I do not have a job that I can be sacked from for expressing views that are deemed controversial. I am in the unusual position of being able to speak out. Very few women are able to do that, in this climate, without risking their livelihoods.’
It was last summer when the political became personal.
Long-term medical investigations revealed that Teresa needed major abdominal surgery.
When it came to filling in a standard assessment questionnaire, Teresa put her cards on the table. She said she would not use gender-neutral toilets. ‘I also said that I would not agree to use pronouns or otherwise engage with such manifestations of gender ideology.’

She now believes that by ‘outing’ herself as gender-critical — or ‘a non-believer in gender ideology’ as she puts it — she made herself a target.
She also suspects that the arrival of the trans nurse in her examination room was deliberate (the hospital insists it was an inadvertent mistake, and that the nurse in question would have had no sight of her admission questionnaire).
‘Obviously I have no proof,’ Teresa says. ‘But it was a strange coincidence.’
One made all the more striking by the scarlet lipstick. Was what the nurse was wearing — on her lips or otherwise — even relevant in this case?

It’s a separate issue, but related. I was shocked by the hyper-sexual nature of it and, since the incident, I have asked if a female nurse would have been allowed to wear so much make-up.
‘I don’t feel it was appropriate, and that different standards were applied to a man than they would have been to a woman. Again, if you dare to raise things like this, you are called “transphobic”.
‘My issue is about single-sex spaces for women. I would accept a third space rather than having men invading women’s spaces and making them mixed sex.’

Some have felt Teresa over-reacted, and that everything that has happened since then is the result of making a mountain out of a molehill.

Immediately afterwards, though, she expressed shock at the intrusion and shared her feelings of discomfort with the (biologically female) nurse in the room.
When further forms had to be filled in, she wrote in Biro that she was now requesting same-sex care for the intimate care that would be required after her surgery.
‘There was a green marker pen on the table and I lifted it to underline my words,’ she recalls.
‘I said to the nurse, “I bet I am not the first person to have done this.” She was clearly embarrassed and very nervous.’

There is no suggestion that this nurse agreed with Teresa, but the former solicitor insists that contact with other healthcare employees since has confirmed her view that this is a wider issue.
‘Women do not like it,’ she says. It? ‘Feeling that if they ask for women nurses they have to accept men identifying as women.’
When she got home, Teresa emailed a patient dignity breach complaint about the trans nurse entering the room without permission, reiterating her request for same-sex care.
She also asked for an assurance that, after her operation, all male staff except for her consultant’s surgical team would only enter the room with her prior agreement.

Given that there clearly had been a privacy breach, you might imagine the hospital would have been keen to smooth over the incident.
Yet, two days later, Teresa was astounded to open an email from Maxine Estop Green, the hospital’s CEO, saying: ‘We do not share your beliefs and are not able to adhere to your requests.’
She informed Teresa that the operation was being cancelled, and told her to make alternative arrangements. Emails between staff that have emerged since — and have been seen by this newspaper — discussed that they ‘perceive the patient’s request and rationale as a discrimination on gender and sex against… hospital employees’.
‘I was utterly shocked,’ says Teresa. ‘I didn’t actually find out until the Saturday — two days before my operation. I had been given a prescription for medication which I was having trouble getting hold of and had spent the Friday ringing the hospital, asking for help, but it was only the next day when a receptionist told me: “Actually your operation isn’t going ahead. The CEO has sent you an email”.

Only then did I look at my emails. That was unforgivable, to tell me like that, with no discussion. I was frantic, but nobody at the hospital would take my call.’
She is horrified by social media speculation that she risked her own life by putting her principles before her health. ‘I would never have done that. I wanted, needed, this operation. It was not my choice to cancel it, and it never occurred to me that they would.
‘What sort of message does it send — if you dare to hold the belief that people cannot change sex, an Equality Act-protected belief, you have no right to healthcare?’

This case is significant because rarely do these simmering issues boil over so publicly. It could well be that this is a one-off — a very unusual set of circumstances and clashing personalities. Teresa isn’t convinced.

This isn’t just happening to me. It is happening to women who are much more vulnerable than I am. The only difference is that they are too scared to speak out. I am not.’

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loislovesstewie · 12/08/2023 12:39

Towdalinenow · 12/08/2023 12:18

@loislovesstewie my female GPs always offer a chaperone. And you always have the right to request one.

I understand that,my point really is would that mean I might be offered a trans woman rather than the old fashioned sort?
And I agree that there are lots of reasons why any of us might want a HCP of the same sex.
I can remember when I felt as though my body no longer belonged to me, just because I was in a medical setting. i had hoped that attitude had changed for the better, but maybe not.BTW, I had this conversation with a man some time ago and was told ' I didn't think you were a prude Lois', my response was quite unrepeatable , but I did say that calling a person a prude is such a male reaction to a woman deciding what to do with her body.

DerekFaker · 12/08/2023 12:44

pickledandpuzzled · 12/08/2023 09:18

Has there been another similar story- private hospital, cancellation- or is the original story still ongoing?

It certainly was shocking. Appalling breach of care.

I follow an American woman on twitter with a similar story.

ArabeIIaScott · 12/08/2023 12:54

IcakethereforeIam · 12/08/2023 12:37

This was in the Guardian today. It's the US but......you can understand why women might want same sex care.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/12/doctor-medical-center-sexual-abuse-allegations

If you read the article, it's not an isolated case.

If we're going to start listing instances of male HCPs who have abused women we're going to need a bigger thread.

londonmummy1966 · 12/08/2023 13:00

THe thing I find most baffling about this awful story is that Princess Grace treats a lot of very wealthy women from the Middle East and I imagine that they are quite emphatic about having all female care (other than consultants) so it must be an absolutely standard request at that hospital.

DrBlackbird · 12/08/2023 13:02

She also suspects that the arrival of the trans nurse in her examination room was deliberate (the hospital insists it was an inadvertent mistake, and that the nurse in question would have had no sight of her admission questionnaire).

What, health care staff ignoring privacy and patient confidentiality? Inadvertent mistake? Right…. First, I’d bet anything that her admission document GC comments were wholly discussed amongst the staff beforehand. Triggering, second, the FY narcissistic behaviour of ‘you can’t tell me what to do or stop me’, which seems very typical of the movement adherents.

Boiledbeetle · 12/08/2023 13:04

londonmummy1966 · 12/08/2023 13:00

THe thing I find most baffling about this awful story is that Princess Grace treats a lot of very wealthy women from the Middle East and I imagine that they are quite emphatic about having all female care (other than consultants) so it must be an absolutely standard request at that hospital.

That was my thought. This can't have been the first time they have been in a position where a same sex team was required for aftercare. The only difference this time appears to be the reason the patient wanted same sex care wasn't for religious purposes and so the hospital felt OK to do what they did.

Boiledbeetle · 12/08/2023 13:11

I visit hospitals a lot. Very very rarely will someone want to enter a room I'm already in with a consultant or a nurse. A lot of times they wouldn't be able to open the external door anyway as anything requiring undressing and they lock the door for exactly for this reason to stop people accidentally entering. Occasionally there will be a knock on the door and the medical person in the room with me will go to the door open it a crack and see what the person wants. The only time I've ever had someone just enter a room was when me and the doctor were waiting for another person to arrive. Ie chaperone. Also most consulting/examination rooms have a curtain that obscures what's going on if the external door isn't lockable.

The fact that anyone was just allowed/able to open the door and see what was going on inside is really bad even without adding in the fact that this particular person was a transwoman.

MavisMcMinty · 12/08/2023 13:26

A surgeon at my last Trust was sacked and struck off the register for inappropriate sexual behaviour with patients. It does happen. All the male doctors I worked with insisted on having female chaperones when examining women patients, for their own protection as much as anything else.

Doctors and nurses are in powerful privileged positions. I nursed a generation who’d never been seen naked by anyone in their lives, not even their husbands or wives, before they came to hospital. We become blasé about bodies and their intimate workings, but many people aren’t, and need to be treated sensitively and with dignity.

My radiographer is always a woman when I have mammograms. I’ve never thought to ask for a woman specifically, but would be unhappy to turn up and have a man manipulating my breasts, it’s a pretty intimate procedure.

unwashedanddazed · 12/08/2023 13:35

I recently had an operation and on the ward there was a prominently displayed notice saying if a patient required a nurse of the same sex for any care then to let the staff know and the request would be met. I was very pleased to see it so clearly stated and hoped it would make it easier for patients to broach the subject.

I also hoped sex meant sex, not gender. I gave feedback after I was discharged praising the policy and the notice, but added that I hoped that sex meant sex, not gender or 'legal sex'.

teawamutu · 12/08/2023 13:37

I've never asked for a woman specifically, but I would a million times rather have a male HCP then a TW for anything gynie.

Male doctors recognise their maleness and offer chaperones etc. I would not want to play along with an 'all girls here' LARP. Especially given what I know about the motivating factors behind many transitions.

AnnaMagnani · 12/08/2023 13:39

@MavisMcMinty It should be standard practice to have a chaperone for any intimate procedure whether the patient or doctor is male or female.

The chaperone is there to protect both the doctor and the patient.

I've had a few blokes be surprised when I got a chaperone in as they think it's more of a woman thing.

Blueblell · 12/08/2023 13:52

He knew her views and engaged in some activism. He was allowed to do so and that is the problem. The patient was not the most important person in the room.

Clymene · 12/08/2023 14:05

What a brave woman. I'm so glad she's making a recovery and this is getting wider coverage.

I posted this on another thread yesterday and I imagine it applies to all healthcare providers:

The Health and Social Care Act 2008 (Regulated Activities) Regulations 2014: Regulation 10
• 10(1) Service users must be treated with dignity and respect
This states providers must have regard to the following guidance:
• When providing intimate or personal care, providers must make every reasonable effort to make sure that they respect people's preferences about who delivers their care and treatment, such as requesting staff of a specified gender

Only 10% of nurses are male. There is no need for any woman to receive post operative care by a male nurse.

I would imagine that the large number of Muslim women who receive care at Princess Grace are reassured all their care will be provided by women without even having to ask.

MavisMcMinty · 12/08/2023 14:22

AnnaMagnani · 12/08/2023 13:39

@MavisMcMinty It should be standard practice to have a chaperone for any intimate procedure whether the patient or doctor is male or female.

The chaperone is there to protect both the doctor and the patient.

I've had a few blokes be surprised when I got a chaperone in as they think it's more of a woman thing.

Of course, yes.

As a student nurse back in the 1980s we didn’t get to work on the gynae wards at my training hospital - the reason given that we had many Irish Catholic students who may have ideological opposition to things like termination; better to safeguard us and those gynae patients who need no judgement.

If you chose to do gynae after qualifying it could be reasonably presumed you were OK with what went on there.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/08/2023 14:28

Not to derail, but regarding Jimmy Saville - I know someone who was a student nurse in Leeds many years ago as a young woman, who was warned about him and advised to stay out of his way. It was common knowledge amongst the staff, but they couldn't speak out due to the position of privilege he had.

I've spoken about it on other threads, but I once met a young woman (19) while working in the north who had been wearing her short sleeved uniform the day Savile opened her new branch that she worked in (as a favour to the business owner who he knew) and in front of her bosses and all her colleagues, he had licked her bare arm from her hand right the way up to the top. In plain sight. They get a kick when women can't object.

EwwSprouts · 12/08/2023 14:47

an email from Maxine Estop Green, the hospital’s CEO, saying: ‘We do not share your beliefs and are not able to adhere to your requests.

That's a CEO heading out of the door. A private hospital stating a female client must accept male intimate care whatever their personal beliefs.

Clymene · 12/08/2023 14:51

Maxine Estop Green is an accountant. Worryingly, several former colleagues at Nuffield Trust, her former employer, have endorsed her for surgery skills on Linked In Shock

Green777 · 12/08/2023 14:57

Towdalinenow · 12/08/2023 12:15

I’m really confused- taking the trans nurse out of the picture- I don’t understand the need for same sex care at all.

I’ve had two operations / procedures on my private parts… the surgery teams were mixed sex. At no point was I left alone with anyone- I was never at risk of anything inappropriate happening and this patient wouldn’t have been either.

At no point have I been examined by a sole medical practitioner- and you have the right to request a chaperone (another medical professional present or your own chaperone).

It’s completely normal to have medical staff teams of all genders performing an operation. There’s no way they can logistically facilitate same sex operation teams. It will be whoever is on shift that day.

How utterly ridiculous to suggest that all women should have the right to same sex medical staff during operation where you often need 4+ staff.

Unless I’m misunderstanding something?!

Did you read the article?

The surgeons were male.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 12/08/2023 15:24

loislovesstewie · 12/08/2023 11:59

On another note , my male GP will ask me ,or rather tell me, he will get a chaperone if examining me intimately.Female GP's don't as far as I know, so what would a trans GP do in that situation? And how would a trans nurse comply with being a chaperone?
This is a genuine question.

I am a female GP/A&E doctor. I always offer patients - male or female - a chaperone for intimate examinations, so I would certainly hope that any trans GP would do so - not because of being trans, but because it's best practice.

No one should ever feel uncomfortable about declining/postponing a gynae examination btw. It's very common for patients to decide that they want to come back on a different day, if they need an intimate examination. If you ever feel that you don't want a GP to examine you, for any reason, just say that you'd rather come back another day. It's totally normal.

BabyStopCryin · 12/08/2023 15:34

Had a female nurse barged into a patients room where they had no need to be, purely to eyeball the patient, they’d be reprimanded. This person - and I assume there would have also been points raise because of their makeup - probably got an apology.

I seem to remember when this case first came up a mumsnetter wither worked there or knew people there who said that this person was a tricky character who was known to be difficult with other staff and not liked as a result.

Ibizafun · 12/08/2023 15:48

londonmummy1966 · 12/08/2023 13:00

THe thing I find most baffling about this awful story is that Princess Grace treats a lot of very wealthy women from the Middle East and I imagine that they are quite emphatic about having all female care (other than consultants) so it must be an absolutely standard request at that hospital.

I go for regular tests at the PG and definitely always feel in the minority there not being from the Middle East.

I find what happened in this instance unbelievable and chilling. Is it a taste of things to come?

HootyMcBooby76 · 12/08/2023 15:56

Dibblydoodahdah · 12/08/2023 11:43

I recently visited my GP and was seen by a trans GP. They most certainly didn’t pass, they were very obviously a male in women’s clothing. The whole experience was very uncomfortable. They asked me how my “water works” were with a tinkly laugh and were trying very hard to speak in a feminine voice. Thankfully they were only examining my stomach but I would have been in a really difficult position had it been a gynological issue.

Same thing at my practice, a very clearly male with receding hairline and long hair tied in a ponytail, full makeup and skirt with high heels with a clearly male voice. Not that it would matter if they "passed" anyway.
I was waiting in the waiting area to be called (you don't have a named GP at our practice) and was hoping I did not get called by that GP as it was for an issue where I knew I would need a lower abdominal exam and possible more.
And yes, I would have felt more comfortable seeing a male GP if it came to that, because I cannot trust anyone who adheres to a dangerous ideology that harms women.
And yes, if you need a chaperone with a male GP, and a TW turns up, what then? Essentially there are TWO males instead of one. Are you allowed to request a sex based female (cannot believe I had to type that)?
Would you be within your rights to do so or would you be made an "unpatient" of the practice due to your terfy ways?

And also yes, I've had experience of a male doctor being inappropriate when I was 15 or 16 and in hospital for a breathing issue. I was very well developed and there was inappropriate touching and comments when the electrodes were put on for the ECG, then inappropriate comments heard through the curtain to another male doctor whole I was waiting for him to come back. I never complained due to being a scared and embarrassed kid.
It does happen. just because they are doctors it does not stop them also being creepy men.

TheLadyInWestminsterAbbey · 12/08/2023 16:32

Until relatively recently women wanting female HCPs for intimate procedures or care was not controversial, and most male doctors/GPs would routinely have chaperones present for their own protection. Unfortunately now when women call for same sex intimate care the arguments are seen purely through the lens of trans rights/the equality act and common sense and decency has gone out of the window.

A few examples:

Recently at work a male radiologist needed the female patient to be catheterised in order to do bladder investigations. Normally such patients are already catheterised by the urology dept before they attend but in this case it hadn't happened and he called for one of the nurses (we are all female in the dept) to catheterise the patient. I went and did so, accompanied by a female radiographer who carefully locked the door, then he did the investigation. Afterwards a callow young male radiographer said to me "I can't believe Dr X can't do a catheterisation". I said "Of course he can but he recognises that most women would prefer a same sex female practitioner for an intimate procedure". He replied "Ooooohhh. I had never thought of that".
He's newly qualified. They literally aren't taught anything about this and don't understand the issue.

My daughter at uni was referred to a counsellor for her anxiety issues. She said he was a creepy bloke so she never went back. Her friend was referred to the same counsellor, also didn't like him and never went back. I'm sure there are lots of lovely and very helpful male counsellors out there but I think it's not beyond the imagination that young women might feel more comfortable unburdening themselves to a woman rather than a man. Shouldn't they have the option to choose?

My hospital actively recruits nurses from the Philippines. I have discovered (through general chat) that many/most of them have never had a cervical smear as this is done privately in the Philippines and there isn't the same public health emphasis on it over there. I have given them all a lecture and sent them packing to the GP to get done. So glad I did as one of them was diagnosed with CIN11 and has rapidly had further investigation and treatment.
They all wanted female only nurse/Dr to perform the smear and do the further investigation in the case of the one who needed it, and they were able to have this. It's incredibly important for this to be available as they were anxious about going for their smears. (By the way, if you work with young women who are newly arrived from overseas do start a conversation about smears and send them to the GP).

Final example:

In my hospital, just recently, there has been an incident with a male nurse helping a female patient on and off the commode while the female nurse working in the bay was on her break. I couldn't say what happened as I wasn't there but the result is the hospital has communicated a warning about protecting ourselves and working in twos when behind the curtains and using chaperones. The chaperone policy has been updated and notices have appeared on ward walls.

Not pleased for something to have happened to a female (or any) patient obviously but I am somewhat pleased that something has triggered conversations and action as the concept of same sex intimate care and use of chaperones has been completely forgotten about and when mentioned becomes heated due to being seen as horrid women wanting to deprive poor men who think they are women from the opportunity to access women's bodies. It becomes all about the trans. But it simply wasn't controversial just a few years ago. It was normal. No one thought twice about it. I hope we can get back to that. The horrific goings on in New York hospitals, as per the article posted show exactly why women want either same sex HCPs for intimate care or at least for there to be a chaperone or other protections.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 12/08/2023 17:06

To reassure, the vast majority of HCPs still understand that women often prefer female HCPs.

However, if you do end up in a situation where you are being pressured to have a male HCP (trans or otherwise) and not comfortable with it, simply says that you would prefer another HCP. Don't give reasons if you are worried that you will then be refused treatment for being transphobic/sexist. You have an absolute right to refuse care from any HCP; you don't have to give a reason.

It isn't always possible to accommodate the request (e.g. there may be only one doctor for the particular speciality in the hospital at the time) but you should never, ever feel co-erced into accepting treatment when you are not happy to do so.

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