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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Joanna Cherry

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Cismyfatarse · 10/08/2023 11:31

About to see the show they tried to cancel. Joanna Cherry. Body and bag searched. Slightly stroppy woman sporting a rainbow scarf getting people seated. Police. Extra security (100% men with beards). Show doesn't start for 30 minutes. Bar closed and troublesome women assembled.

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RoseslnTheHospital · 10/08/2023 11:36

Enjoy the event! If you get a chance to let us know what your thoughts are afterwards that would be great.

ThomasinaLivesHere · 10/08/2023 11:56

Enjoy! I was too late to get a ticket. Shame it’s just one event.

Moanthensmum · 10/08/2023 12:01

Cismyfatarse · 10/08/2023 11:31

About to see the show they tried to cancel. Joanna Cherry. Body and bag searched. Slightly stroppy woman sporting a rainbow scarf getting people seated. Police. Extra security (100% men with beards). Show doesn't start for 30 minutes. Bar closed and troublesome women assembled.

Yet the deplorable MB used the sexist, ageist slur of "Karen" at her show the other day which had no security and most likely the rainbow scarf women was clapping along with the other audience members when MB made her abhorrent comments.

I detest this whole situation and how it has been enabled by the Scottish government. Bullies, hypocrites and women haters.

I hope Joanna's event goes well.

334bu · 10/08/2023 12:02

Enjoy

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2023 12:38

Yes, please report back! Enjoy the show.

fromorbit · 10/08/2023 14:04

Sounds like it went from Twitter well sold out and Joanne spoke very well.
Thread from journalist Gina Davidson here:

At Joanna Cherry's Fringe event and interviewer Graham Spiers starts by saying he is pleased the event is going ahead and believes in listening to all views - Cherry (who gets an ovation when she appears) says she's delighted the pride flag is on show given she's a lesbian

she talks of the climate and culture when she came out and how she feels she's battling homophobia again because of what she sees as an undermining of the right to be same sex attracted.

is discussing how fellow snp mps tried to have the whip removed when she wanted to speak at a conference about lesbian rights. "I found that really shocking"

Spiers asking about her legal career - her prosecution of sexual offences and campaigning for human rights.

says it was her work in the former area that showed her that men who want to abuse women and children will use anything they can to do so - says that was obvious with the Isla Bryson case. She says she objects to self-ID on that basis.

Spiers reflects that spearheading the rights of women is deeply embedded in her world view - she agrees.
She talks about starting a women only group for young lawyers/students at university, says some firms at that time refused to employ women

Spiers asked her if she felt at physical risk during this debate - he calls it cerebral (the other say with Mhairi Black he called it intellectual) - she says it's not that complicated but admits writing legislation around these issues can be.

She says GRR Bill for example didnt just give rights to trans people but to anyone who wants to selfID - she claims what happened at Holyrood meant there wasn't proper scrutiny of how the Bill would impact on others' rights

says if politicians cant debate nuance or have an intellectual debate "they're in the wrong job". she says too many politicians just wanted to avoid the debate

Spiers asking if the phrase "women don't have penises" is crude and throws petrol on the flames. Cherry says no "it's a biological fact" - huge cheer

now discussing the meaning of lesbian - references the Alison Bailey case "people should be free to date who they want without being called bigots"

Spiers now asking about the "intolerance" in the debate "and a rush to call people Nazis - what's going on?"

Cherry talking about the rape and death threats she has had - says no support from within her party "it seemed to be ok because they say I'm a transphobe". Says threats of violence is from one side of debate

Though it seems like the bigots in the staff rigged a stunt they projected the words Protect Trans Kids on the stage afterwards.

At least they didn't attack anyone this time like in Aberdeen.

Maybe we need to project 'stop male violence' after every TRA event.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2023 14:21

Though it seems like the bigots in the staff rigged a stunt they projected the words Protect Trans Kids on the stage afterwards.

Who is saying we shouldn't? Eye roll.

Cismyfatarse · 10/08/2023 14:45

More later. But the TA staff also tried to cover her (or scare the audience) by using a smoke machine mud show.

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RoseslnTheHospital · 10/08/2023 14:46

Staff set off a smoke machine mid show??

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2023 14:56

How desperate of them.

FionnulaTheCooler · 10/08/2023 14:58

Cismyfatarse · 10/08/2023 14:45

More later. But the TA staff also tried to cover her (or scare the audience) by using a smoke machine mud show.

Hopefully they get sacked and blacklisted from being able to work at similar events in future.

Goodviibrations · 10/08/2023 15:05

The staff sound disgraceful.

DiabolicalFinial · 10/08/2023 15:26

How seriously unprofessional of the venue staff.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2023 15:39

They're sore, I imagine, because they lost in their bid to prevent the event going ahead.

Backstreets · 10/08/2023 15:42

Hope they trip on their goofy scarves.

TheGreatATuin · 10/08/2023 15:45

Not surprised about the staff at all. If they had any argument against Joanna Cherry's position, they'd make it. The TRA position, the stuff that they are defending, is simply indefensible. They have absolutely no valid argument against anything Cherry says.
Their only choice is to go on the attack and try keep her quiet.
It's occurred to me that the GC side is constantly sharing TRA screenshots, articles, videos. We know that we need to do to persuade people to our side is share what trans activists are actually saying, but trans activists are the complete opposite. They're desperate for us not to be heard.
If what Cherry says is so terrible, they'd be broadcasting her direct words from the rooftops so people would know how awful it was. Just like we do with them.

Fukuraptor · 10/08/2023 16:18

Though it seems like the bigots in the staff rigged a stunt they projected the words Protect Trans Kids on the stage afterwards.

Phew! I'm glad they agree with Cherry and other campaigners who don't want trans identifying children being used as medical guinea pigs and put on a road to sterility, sexual dysfunction and having healthy body parts surgically removed.

Glad we're getting some common ground at last.

Wait, you don't think that's what they meant? 🤔

fromorbit · 10/08/2023 16:28

The event is already causing headlines:

Joanna Cherry says Bute House Agreement with ‘totalitarian’ Scottish Greens should be brought to an end
https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,joanna-cherry-says-bute-house-agreement-with-totalitarian-scottish-greens-should-be-brought-to-an-end

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/joanna-cherry-claims-snp-criticism-30675008

Cherry also responded to Black who said the lives of transgender people should not be up for “intellectual” debate:
“I saw my colleague Mhairi Black saying she doesn't want an intellectual debate on this. I'm very happy to have an intellectual debate because that's what I am paid to do.”
She added: “If politicians can't cope with nuance, if politicians don't want intellectual debate, they're in the wrong job.”

No mention of the stunt so far in press reports actually interested in what Cherry said and her discussion of what is going on in Scottish Politics regarding the Greens and women's rights.

In exactly the same venue a few days ago Mhairi Black called women expressing opinions Karens and suggested they were allied to the far right. Yet Black's show didn't need enhanced security. No one disrupted her event people just rightfully complained about it afterwards.

No-one has been found guilty of sending Black dangerous threats which Joanna Cherry has had to put up with.

However, the TRAs are doing a great job of sabotaging their own cause because they are afraid to talk because what they say makes no sense. Cherry's event has attracted huge extra publicity because of the extra security needed.

Joanna Cherry says Bute House Agreement with ‘totalitarian’ Scottish Greens should be brought to an end

Joanna Cherry said that some of the party’s MSPs had acted in a “disgraceful way” towards women and criticised their app...

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,joanna-cherry-says-bute-house-agreement-with-totalitarian-scottish-greens-should-be-brought-to-an-end

Cismyfatarse · 10/08/2023 17:05

I didn't see the projected sign and gather it was onto the back wall behind the back row of seats. We were very near the smoke machine which smelled of smoke machine but it could easily have been mistaken for a fire by audience members. Security went looking behind the stage but it must have been being operated from elsewhere.

She was magnificent. So clear and principled. I do not support independents but with her in charge I would be much more tempted. Great moment after when she hugged Joanne Lamont. Loads of rock stars there too. MBM, Shereen Benjamin, Kate from LGB Alliance. Media scrum outside after but she had huge support on the steps as she came out.

Very supportive audience.

I loved her opening line where she thanked all the venue staff wearing rainbow scarves and lanyards for honouring a lesbian. JC was wearing a rainbow necklace too.

She was crystal clear about why she supports sex in terms of being single sex attracted, not gender. She spoke about the importance of lesbian spaces. Also, being discriminated against as a feminist, a lesbian and a Catholic when she was first looking for a legal career.

She wanted open debate about issues (trans / independence etc) and was scathing about no debate. She abhorred, but didn't name, the previous FM and Blackford and clearly had no support. Stephen Flynn is happy for her to disagree and vote her conscience on these matters.

She didn't mention how Flynn can have Mhairi Black in his team but it was clearly implied in her desire for debate.

Loads of questions. All of them supportive. When the others were offered the chance to ask a question they said they were "not comfortable." I suppose it would be hard to represent the trans activists in a room so supportive of JC.

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Backstreets · 10/08/2023 19:00

Grande Joanna! 👏 Glad to hear the event was a success.

Goodviibrations · 10/08/2023 19:32

No wonder they insist on no debate when you compare Cherry's clear commentary to the recent remarks made by intellectual heavyweight Mhairi B.

JanesLittleGirl · 10/08/2023 21:38

It is clear that Ms. Black has a protected characteristic that Ms. Cherry doesn't.

IwantToRetire · 11/08/2023 00:20

There was a C4 news report about this, very much playing down any suggestion of MB having been insulting the previous day, and trying to make it was just normal Edinburgh fringe to have opposing opinions being aired.

Short section showing people arriving at the event with some very clear pictures of women wearing t-shirts saying Women Wont Wheesht and one short interviews!

Nothing about staff behaving badly.

Then much more lengthy coveraged of Nicola Sturgeon being interviewed with emphasise of huge rounds of applause any time she said anything.

Then a report about a women doing a show about being bought up by her mother and a trans woman (father) showing that the trans issue isn't so awful and people can makes jokes and be positive.

And a busker saying being trans was no big thing.

So the context was that Joanne Cherry and crowd were being over dramatic and everyone else was just getting on with having a good time, ie nothing to see here, move along.

Made possible by not mention the insults by MB.

Well it was C4 news.

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