Mary Rose Museum's Queer Lense

1stWorldProblems · 2023-08-07T20:04:43+00:00

I bloody love this musuem & it's one of the few to use tech to enhance its exhibits with the "ghosts" it projects on the hull (as opposed to unnecessary "interactive" displays that 50-somethings are cool and break after a few months but which kids have seen better done on their tablets but that's another thread). This came up on my timeline today - viewing a number of their objects through a queer lens - or going on about 21st century concerns that can only be linked to the said object by tying yourself in knots. [[https://maryrose.org/blog/collections/the-collections-team/queering-the-mary-rose-s-collection https://maryrose.org/blog/collections/the-collections-team/queering-the-mary-rose-s-collection/]] SO tedious - the wreck and the objects found are fascinating without layering on 21st century superfluous info. It's not even interesting or original thoughts - just the usual guff.

namitynamechange · 07/08/2023 21:09

This is a mirror. Many LGBTQ people look in or have mirrors.
This is a ring. Many LGBTQ people also own rings.
This is a boat. Historically and today there are many examples of LGBTQ people who have sat on or even sailed in boats.

FASCINATING

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 07/08/2023 21:09

That really is deeply pointless, isn’t it?
On the bright side, it’s not in anyone’s way, it’s just a page on the website. I thought you were going to say you had visited today and they had stuck pride flags over everything and replaced the informative interpretation panels with tendentious and ahistorical ones.

IcakethereforeIam · 07/08/2023 21:22

I'm embarrassed for they/them.

The lady who dived on the wreck. Gave a talk at my school. She was fascinating. I'm going to try to find her name. She was also short and round, it was a brilliant realisation to me that people that shape could still do stuff that was adventurous.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 07/08/2023 21:25

Was it actual Margaret Rule?

I met a few people who dived on it, would love to have met her!

Sunnava · 07/08/2023 21:28

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 07/08/2023 21:09

That really is deeply pointless, isn’t it?
On the bright side, it’s not in anyone’s way, it’s just a page on the website. I thought you were going to say you had visited today and they had stuck pride flags over everything and replaced the informative interpretation panels with tendentious and ahistorical ones.

No, that would be the Pitt-Rivers.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 07/08/2023 21:30

Sunnava · 07/08/2023 21:28

No, that would be the Pitt-Rivers.

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And probably more than a few others.

Motorina · 07/08/2023 21:31

I was going to try and parody the nit comb bit. But, actually, it's beyond parody.

Here it is in it's full navel-gazing, ummm, glory:

The most common personal objects that we found on the Mary Rose were nit combs. There were 82 in total. These nit combs would have been mainly used by the men to remove nits from their hair, rather than using the comb to style their hair (which would have usually been covered up by a hat). However, for many Queer people today, how we wear our hair is a central pillar of our identity. Today, hairstyles are often heavily gendered, following the gender norm that men have short hair, and women have long hair. By ‘subverting’ and playing with gender norms, Queer people can find hairstyles that they feel comfortable wearing.

Ummm... And queer people finding hairstyles they're comfortable with (just like non-queer people do, remarkably) has what to do with nits, exactly?

betterchange · 07/08/2023 21:33

Oh wow. I found the museum utterly fascinating but this is just drivel, isn't it!

Boomboom22 · 07/08/2023 21:33

It is not trans people who subvert norms they want to maintain them! So annoying this nonsense gets spouted.

Crouton19 · 07/08/2023 21:33

I sometimes wonder if this queering stuff is all one big pisstake. People get paid to write this nonsense?

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 21:34

A couple of years ago during school hols I visited the Natural History Museum in Oxford. They had a visiting Queer exhibition off the the side of the main museum that nobody went into.

I did poke my head around the door briefly and nabbed a leaflet that listed a selection of exhibits. Funniest one was a support plushie lent to the exhibition by a queer student from the Uni.

Less funny were historical artefacts such as tribal headwear reinterpreted as queer through an entirely modern lens.

IcakethereforeIam · 07/08/2023 21:36

I've just been a googling and I think it was her. Dark haired and quite buxom. I didn't speak to her, she spoke to the whole year and our parents. It was a thing at the Town Hall to give us our o level/gcse certificates. I may have shook her hand. I wish I remembered it better, but it was nearly forty years ago 😲 I remember thinking beforehand that it was an odd choice, we're in the NW and miles from the sea, but she was really interesting. We were very lucky to have had her.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 07/08/2023 21:37

Crouton19 · 07/08/2023 21:33

I sometimes wonder if this queering stuff is all one big pisstake. People get paid to write this nonsense?

For the most part, no, it will be student volunteers and interns.
Museum staff will be busy doing the actual work that needs doing and one of the things will be looking after volunteers and finding things for the useless ones to do that do as little harm as possible to the functioning of the museum and its collections.
You can see how this might have happened.

Rudderneck · 07/08/2023 21:39

Motorina · 07/08/2023 21:31

I was going to try and parody the nit comb bit. But, actually, it's beyond parody.

Here it is in it's full navel-gazing, ummm, glory:

The most common personal objects that we found on the Mary Rose were nit combs. There were 82 in total. These nit combs would have been mainly used by the men to remove nits from their hair, rather than using the comb to style their hair (which would have usually been covered up by a hat). However, for many Queer people today, how we wear our hair is a central pillar of our identity. Today, hairstyles are often heavily gendered, following the gender norm that men have short hair, and women have long hair. By ‘subverting’ and playing with gender norms, Queer people can find hairstyles that they feel comfortable wearing.

Ummm... And queer people finding hairstyles they're comfortable with (just like non-queer people do, remarkably) has what to do with nits, exactly?

Oh my god, that has at least given me a laugh.

What a load of utter and complete shite.

What I want to know is how queer people feel about nits?

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 21:39

Motorina · 07/08/2023 21:31

I was going to try and parody the nit comb bit. But, actually, it's beyond parody.

Here it is in it's full navel-gazing, ummm, glory:

The most common personal objects that we found on the Mary Rose were nit combs. There were 82 in total. These nit combs would have been mainly used by the men to remove nits from their hair, rather than using the comb to style their hair (which would have usually been covered up by a hat). However, for many Queer people today, how we wear our hair is a central pillar of our identity. Today, hairstyles are often heavily gendered, following the gender norm that men have short hair, and women have long hair. By ‘subverting’ and playing with gender norms, Queer people can find hairstyles that they feel comfortable wearing.

Ummm... And queer people finding hairstyles they're comfortable with (just like non-queer people do, remarkably) has what to do with nits, exactly?

This is the sort of massive reach I might have made as a teenager in an exam I'd not revised for and didn't really know much about the subject. 😂

sashagabadon · 07/08/2023 21:40

They really are grasping at straws there.

AtrociousCircumstance · 07/08/2023 21:42

Motorina · 07/08/2023 21:31

I was going to try and parody the nit comb bit. But, actually, it's beyond parody.

Here it is in it's full navel-gazing, ummm, glory:

The most common personal objects that we found on the Mary Rose were nit combs. There were 82 in total. These nit combs would have been mainly used by the men to remove nits from their hair, rather than using the comb to style their hair (which would have usually been covered up by a hat). However, for many Queer people today, how we wear our hair is a central pillar of our identity. Today, hairstyles are often heavily gendered, following the gender norm that men have short hair, and women have long hair. By ‘subverting’ and playing with gender norms, Queer people can find hairstyles that they feel comfortable wearing.

Ummm... And queer people finding hairstyles they're comfortable with (just like non-queer people do, remarkably) has what to do with nits, exactly?

That……is absolutely pathetic. Just desperate flimflam.

The moronic hand-wringing of it all.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 07/08/2023 21:42

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 21:39

This is the sort of massive reach I might have made as a teenager in an exam I'd not revised for and didn't really know much about the subject. 😂

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The work experience student pissed around for the first five weeks and four days of his six week placement and realised on the last day he’d better write something fast or he would fail the work experience module of his museum studies MA?

Diddykong · 07/08/2023 21:42

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 21:39

This is the sort of massive reach I might have made as a teenager in an exam I'd not revised for and didn't really know much about the subject. 😂

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It's Arnold Rimmer exam failing proportions.

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 21:45

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 07/08/2023 21:42

The work experience student pissed around for the first five weeks and four days of his six week placement and realised on the last day he’d better write something fast or he would fail the work experience module of his museum studies MA?

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I hope this is true because I might lose my faith in humanity if it was produced by a fully fledged adult. 😱

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1stWorldProblems · 07/08/2023 21:47

@IcakethereforeIam - you met Margaret Rule (Margaret Rule) - am very jealous. She was amazing on Blue Peter and other TV - no nonsense, clever, enthusiastic & didn't talk down to kids. She helped excavate Fishbourne Roman Villa too.

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel I know it's just on the website and could have been worse / affected the actual museum displays but it's such tosh. Guess I'm just disappointed they hosted something so irrelevant to the exhibits.

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MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 07/08/2023 21:48

Good what a load of wank.

I might do a blog of the museum through a fat person lense.

Here's a mirror. Fat people look in mirrors. Sometimes they hate what they see. Sometimes they realise they are more than their fatness and don't care.

Here's a comb. Fat people come their hair too. Some hairstyles suit fat faces. Some don't.

Here's a ring. Fat people get married too. Shock.

SophieTheWonderCat · 07/08/2023 21:49

Just when you think you have seen it all more crap appears.

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 21:50

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 07/08/2023 21:48

Good what a load of wank.

I might do a blog of the museum through a fat person lense.

Here's a mirror. Fat people look in mirrors. Sometimes they hate what they see. Sometimes they realise they are more than their fatness and don't care.

Here's a comb. Fat people come their hair too. Some hairstyles suit fat faces. Some don't.

Here's a ring. Fat people get married too. Shock.

You've got a whole exhibition there you could charge £££££ for.

Time to give up the day job. 😂

PermanentTemporary · 07/08/2023 21:52

That's so dreadful I feel deeply embarrassed for the author.