Brighton Pride: Trans activists block Labour Party in parade

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Trans rights activists blocked Labour activists, councillors and MPs during the Pride parade to protest against the party’s stance on LGBTQ+ rights.

Protesters held a banner that said “Starmer Hates Trans People” in front of a group of party members, including Hove MP Peter Kyle, council leader Bella Sankey and Eddie Izzard, who is hoping to become Brighton Pavilion's MP in the future.

Trans rights campaigners have expressed anger at Labour after party leader Keir Starmer rowed back on plans to introduce a self-identification system to allow transgender people to legally identify as their chosen gender without a medical diagnosis.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23706755.brighton-pride-trans-activists-block-labour-party-parade/

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In the meantime Labour is now trying to "soften" their message about supporting women with this statement:

Anneliese Dodds: Labour wants to tackle ‘indignities’ for trans people and protect women’s spaces

“We are continuously learning about the situation for trans people,” she said, in an interview with i. “We have also seen developments in Scotland where the SNP had a particular approach where the result of that has been conflict, fuelled by the Conservatives in Westminster, and actually trans people are no further on.

“There’s been a tremendous row, there’s taxpayers money being paid on legal challenges but trans people are no further forward and I don’t want to see that situation.

“I want us to be able to reform, to remove those indignities and at the same time to have a system that is robust that commands public confidence.”

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/anneliese-dodds-labour-indignities-trans-people-womens-spaces-2528235

He can’t fix it.

He indulged a legal fiction in the GRC and self ID and now if he tries to put reality into the manifesto he will upset the TRAs and their eejit cabal, but if he doesn’t he’ll lose many many votes.

it can’t be spun and there is no compromise. It’s going to be an interesting election, not Least becaise if they select that eejit izzard they’ll lose and if he doesn’t he’ll be condemned by the TRAs

Our friend Lloyd R-M is keeping his head down isn't he?

Well, that lasted the course, didn’t it.

Yeah, it's all about 'those futile indignities for trans people', isn't it? 🙄

Perhaps Dodds could clarify exactly what those indignities are, and why they count for more than the comfort and safety of women and girls?

I want us to be able to reform, to remove those indignities and at the same time to have a system that is robust that commands public confidence.”

And the indignities for women feature where in this Brave New World Ms Dodds?

Oh well they will have to just deal with the protest then! One of the ridiculous things about TRA is even when they do have a more sympathetic ear in Labour than say the Conservatives then they screw it up.

Keir Starmer doesn't hate trans people; he's currently wondering what degree of electoral liability they represent I would think.

Nothing but complete capitulation will do. There is no compromise, there is no middle ground. TWAW or you're a transphobe, so Labour will have to pick - get screeched at by MRAs, or lose votes from women.

Good luck with squaring that circle Labour.

Sometimes it feels like the only thing left to do is laugh at the ridiculous hole politicians have dug themselves.

This is the problem with telling lies, even the legal sort - they tend to spiral out of control.

Once again; all the worst people in the world are fighting, and I’m here for it. Great stuff.

I reckon at this stage they will be calculating that since the trans vote is both minuscule and also it seems on glue in terms of any policy that it is not worth it.

I foresee a very small section in the manifesto with a "review" promised and Dodds can move on to a new portfolio

Lol this is what happens when you try to play both ends to the middle Labour

also there is no way of arriving at a reasonable agreement with TRA. The only thing they’ll accept is complete capitulation. Everything else is a futile waste of time

There's no way they can find a sensible solution to this that works fairly because its fundamental, basic tenet is false.

The simple truth is that male people aren't female people.

Labour can expend more and more energy denying and ignoring that, but the contradictions will just keep growing until the thing crashes down on them. The more they try to hold it back, the bigger the contraditions will get and the harder the eventual crash when it hits them.

They're too stupid to realise he has not rowed back on much at all.

They're cancelling their own supporters. It's true, isn't it: the only attitude acceptable to this ideology is total capitulation. And that there is no rationality to it.

You are optimistic, I think. The bedrock of their Momentum/Left support is very important to them - and they will calculate it to be more numerous than the actively GC vote.

Plus that vote has nowhere else meaningful to go - except to the Greens who don't stand a chance of election. Most will still vote Labour.

@RebelliousCow - if they were going to win then they need to dump Momentum and their followers. They won't win with them and seem to be anxious to remove that as a dominant idea in voters.

I don't think TRA groups protesting against Keir Starmer is bad for him. He's moved his position so they are now angry at him.

Labour strategists will be pleased, I would think

But the Left/Momentum vote is a large section of the Labour vote. Most leftists where I live hate Starmer - but will no doubt vote Labour anyway- who else would they vote for if they really want to be rid of the Tories - which they seriously do?

There seems to be a grand total of 3 TRAs in the photo? If so, it really didn't merit reporting.

“I want us to be able to reform, to remove those indignities and at the same time to have a system that is robust that commands public confidence.”

Lol. And good luck with that. It's impossible. You're going to have to pick one.

They will now never square the circle that puts rapists in prison with women. Or lets men take women's sport. And toilets will be a self own, as soon as the suggestion of a third space gets rejected.

And i'm not sure how long they can keep talking high-level here, now, either. They're gonna have to start talking actual spaces.

And that's an either/or. There is no middle ground. Robust or otherwise

honestly, they haven't even started and are already making fools of themselves.

They're going to have to pick a side.

Slightly off topic but Eddie Izzard looked a bloody mess albeit a smug one on Saturday. Nothing about him portrayed a decent leader. It’s all so very narcissistic.

“I want us to be able to reform, to remove those indignities and at the same time to have a system that is robust that commands public confidence.”

And how exactly Dodds?

Ha at Labour trying to square the circle, numpties

The comments (presumably mostly from Brighton people) on the Argus article linked to in the OP are quite heartening

@RebelliousCow - they will of course vote Labour and carry on moaning but importantly, the election is going to fought on the middle ground of politics. That's where the votes are. Labour cannot win without them and they have been deserting the Conservatives for the last 12 months.

I have never seen a real left wing government in the U.K. and I don't think Keir Starmer is that either.

I think they might be things like TW not being allowed to go into any women's space and totally trample on women's rights. I have no time for nonsense like this which can't even be bothered to define what rights trans people don't actually currently have in law. It's just more labour anti-women, unreflective privilege shit. God knows why they still have supporters. Germaine Greer was right when she said that women have no idea how much men hate them.