Irish politician who supported the GRA now discovers he's expected to learn about 58 genders, he's not happy!

[Fenlandia]

Gerard Craughwell is an independent senator:

"Has the entire country gone stark raving mad. We passed the Gender Recognition Bill. I fully supported it. I never expected to be handed a sheet defining some 58 genders"
https://twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1687416588608094208

Link to Irish Times piece "Government departments hold pronouns workshops to support colleagues’ gender identity"
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/08/03/government-departments-hold-pronouns-workshops-to-support-colleagues-gender-identity/

It's both hilarious and tragic - I actually he doesn't get too much ridicule/abuse as he needs to work through exactly what he's enabled

I am surprised to see that long list of long speeches in which he waxed endlessly on about the benefits and goodness of gender.

Given what he's now saying.

Almost like he was talking utter pish.

What gets me as well apart from his full throated support for the Bill (apart from it not going far enough) that hes now criticising is that his background is in education.

How on earth could anyone whos had a career as a teacher and then assistant principal have no thought about what the legislation would mean for safeguarding. How could anyone who was in Ireland when the relevations about clerical sex abuse in schools not realise the lengths people will go to become untouchable and unassailable in society.

When you read his speeches on the subject you can imagine his derision towards anyone who would have dared bring up that this might mean an infinite list of genders that other people just trying to do their jobs/live their lives will have to wade through.

By social context

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2010/act/24/enacted/en/html

The 2010 act ^ provided homosexual couples legal recognition of a civil partnership
They could not marry because the consitution protects marraige as a social good between a man and a woman.
A constitutional right is stronger than a civil partnership legislation right

The government also "snuck in" common law / notmarried rights to property so a Irish woman living in her partners home can sue for a % if the relationship breaks down. This will still be a suprise to a lot of unmarried couples.

Anyway the right to marry needed a change to the consitution and the population was focused on equal marraige rights
Ireland had a prominent "male and openly gay" politicians but not many lesbians so for voters the man wanting to have a female birth cert was "kind of a gay thing anyway"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ireland-becomes-first-country-to-approve-same-sex-marriage-by-popular-vote-1.2223646

The vote passed and the Dail prepared a bill on changing all the legislation to include F/F M/M relationships.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2015/78/
That was in September

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/isbc/2015_35.html

Commencement Date Whole Act 16 November 2015

The GRA was a Dec 2014 bill and voted on in July 7 months later
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2014/116/

The original bill (listed as a pdf in the link and the various changes) had to include provisions for marrige as the vote on this may not have been passed and they stayed as the marraige act had not passed yet.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/act/25/enacted/en/print

the sections for marraige were never signed into law.
Commencement Date
S. 9(2)(a) 4 September 2015
S. 9(2)(b) Not yet commenced.
S. 9(2)(c) 4 September 2015
S. 10(1) (a)-(e) 4 September 2015
S. 10(1)(f)(i) Not yet commenced.

So if I am reading the act correctly if the consitution did not change (so no same sex marraige) and the sections were signed as active legislation a male could get a GRC to become a legal female and then only marry a male

Effect of gender recognition certificate generally
18.
(3) A person issued with a gender recognition certificate may only—
(a) marry a person of the opposite gender to the preferred gender and reference in section 2(2)(e) of the Act of 2004 to “same sex” includes a reference to the same sex as the preferred gender,
(b) be a party to a civil partnership registration with a person of the same gender as the preferred gender and reference in section 2(2A)(e) of the Act of 2004, to “not of the same sex” includes a reference to not of the same sex as the preferred gender.

How are two bills attached by social context? What does this mean in practice? Your answer has basically said that same sex marriage has an impact on the potential marriages of people who avail of GRCs. But it also had an impact on those who don't avail of GRCs so I still fail to see how the two bills are attached?

You really do have to laugh or you'd cry.

The good thing is he has openly admitted the act doesn't work and needs to be changed. He is a lone voice currently among those who originally pushed it but let's hope more will be reassessing.

social engineering that a big social change (GRA) for everybody was hiding in plain sight (no big media spotlight) behind the positive social movement of same sex marraige which impacts a small number of people.

The link below looks at a strategy document which aims to push the TRA agenda

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2020/07/23/that-dentons-document/

For Ireland if the public were asked to vote on 2 constitutional changes
1 on the right to marraige
1 on the right to a GRC
the day to day problems (eg allowing a male enter a single sex female changing room) would have emerged in public debate.
It is highly unlikley that the public would vote in any number to allow a GRC right.

Other things woild be the GRC also has consitutonal impact as women and mothers have specific recognition and there is an abortion clause
A woman looses (signs away) her general rights and protections and can not have a legal abortion under the 2018 legislation.
A mother / woman who is unmarried has parental rights (to registers a birth etc) but men can now give birth but need a mother or a court order to register as the father.

https://gript.ie/varadkar-says-males-shouldnt-be-in-womens-prisons/

Now that the public know a violent male in the womans prison (part of the Dail record since 2019 and prison officers threatened to strike) only read it in the papers + eye roll and politicians have to answer what is a woman? with any male with a GRC the politicians are trying to claim they knew nothing

This fellow has voted for something, knowing exactly what it would entail and now, because it has a slightly adverse effect on him, wails "What?!! I never knew it would mean this!"

He can't claim ignorance. Ideally, an interviewer should tear him to pieces over this, quoting endlessly from his passionate speeches and ask him what's changed his mind.

He doesn't even have the excuse of lazy, incompetent morons like Farridge, Francois and Barclay etc, who whine that this isn't the Brexit they voted for, because they were too indolent and dim witted to understand what they were doing, just following a poorly thought out whim.

Thought terminating cliche

"I didn't think the léopards would eat my face!"

How did the spotlight on same sex marriage hide the GRA? They are completely different acts, passed on different dates. Did same sex marriage hide all the other acts passed that year. The argument makes no sense.

You keep posting a lot of information but it is nearly 100% unrelated to what I'm asking you. For example, your point about whether we would have voted for the GRA in a referendum has nothing to do with a link between same sex marriage and the GRA. One was a referendum issue because the constitution needed to be changed. The other wasn't.

"A woman looses (signs away) her general rights and protections and can not have a legal abortion under the 2018 legislation.
A mother / woman who is unmarried has parental rights (to registers a birth etc) but men can now give birth but need a mother or a court order to register as the father." <---- not sure where you got the idea about these.

Aren't they two separate pieces of legislation passed at different dates. I often hear people say they were "attached" but I don't understand how. Can you explain?

^ you asked why people said they were attached.

A woman looses (signs away) her general rights and protections and can not have a legal abortion under the 2018 legislation.
A mother / woman who is unmarried has parental rights (to registers a birth etc) but men can now give birth but need a mother or a court order to register as the father." <---- not sure where you got the idea about these

If the GRA is a consitutional law a human female is not always a woman (a legal class) and men with GRCs are not women nor mothers (a sub-class of women)
A ) man goes to court (his newly birthed baby on hip) and says I want the govenment to be forced to pay me compensation for not providing me with my right an abortion the Judge will first ask for the section of the 2018 act which gave him the right to an abortion.
B ) man goes to register a baby ( A newly birthed baby on hip but no mother) and says I am the father what document are needed for his name to be on the cert?

In 2015 he was arguing that Ireland should follow the Swedish model of allowing legal gender recognition at 15 (or 12 with parental consent).

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/2015-02-03/speech/204/

I can inform the Minister that right now in Sweden it is being planned to split gender recognition into two areas, legal gender recognition and medical treatment. The main points are the separation of the legal and the medical into two different laws. Individuals will be able to get a legal change of gender at 15 or from the age of 12 for children with parental consent.

What on earth did he think would happen? How can he act so shocked now that girls are allowed no privacy from boys when that was exactly what he wanted to happen?

Although going by the rest of that speech he seems to have been under the impression that trans is some sort of DSD.

In his other speeches he says how easy it should be for transgender people to get legal recognition as their chosen sex, without any medical diagnosis, somehow without seeing that the obvious result would be that any man/boy could then legally declare himself female.

He wasn't someone who just stood by while this bill was passed. He actively argued for it - and for it to be as easy as possible to change legal sex, and for children to be included.

https://twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1688071814684012544?t=C_llIQ7IWJJhIPQaPHWcXw&s=19

I have been advised that my recent Tweets on #GRA may be detrimental to my future in politics. Then let what time I have left be highly vocal. Let us not be afraid to rise up and stop this insanity. Let our children have simple, happy childhoods. Gender = biological sex end of.

Bloody hell! Is this the most incredible 360. I had to check this wasn't a parody account.

Interesting that Craughwell was also apparently unaware that Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadkar was very famously unaware of the Barbie Kardashian case on 21st March 2023.

As pp said, he’s pissed off because this crap now directly affects him. He was ok with it when it was affecting women, children, prison workers, social workers …

There is no stopping him today. Tweet after tweet getting more terfy by the minute. Just when you think nothing would surprise you.

😂

Farkin H.

Are these lawmakers really so fucking dim? It's as if he was under a spell when he argued for hours about the benefits of self ID. Absolutely bizarre.

Well, even if its infuriating I suppose this is what we need more of?

I can't see SNP MSPs doing the same for some reason, though. I do remember during the GRR consultation they spoke to a politician from Ireland who said they hadn't thought it all through very well and there'd been unforeseen consequences. The Committee just nodded and smiled and ignored that bit.

It really is like many of these politicians have some astonishing mind blindness - a determined inability to think a thought through. And perhaps mostly on this subject?

This is from an article from 2019
https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/2019/10-october/male-bodied-transgender-inmate-housed-with-women-prisoners

Currently, a pre-operative, pre-hormone therapy, male-to-female transgender prisoner is being held in Limerick women’s prison.

When before the court last July, the prisoner was in possession of a gender recognition certificate.

Robert Purcell is chair of the Law Society Criminal Law Committee: “The law that was enacted in 2015 did not envisage this situation, and it puts the Prison Service and the courts in a difficult position because, obviously, if somebody is self-declaring that they have to be recognised, then they have to be dealt with on that basis, even though physically, they have not have made the [physical] transformation.

“I don’t think the legislation envisaged the ability of transgender people to be able to self-declare; and it didn’t foresee the problems it would cause if a transgender, self-declared person was held in a mixed prison,” he said.

So they passed a law allowing people to self-declare their 'gender' and be recognised for all purposes as the opposite sex, but they didn't "envisage the ability of transgender people to be able to self-declare".

What did they think was going to happen?

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/2023-06-21/12/

It just got personal

Good news is there is never one so passionate as a newly converted🤷

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Precisely. The damage they've caused, and now they're bewailing the fact that they didn't actually understand the implications? Fucking muppets.

Well, the UK has Brexit as well ...

Yes. Which was another epic, badly thought out mess that no one saw coming and the muppet responsible flounced as soon as it dawned on him.

There have got to be saner, better brains in the UK than this lot.

Almost like he was talking utter pish

Politician talks utter pish. Hold the front page.

Wow! He's talking about repealing the act.

So many politicians literally asleep at the wheel, when it comes to this issue: just taking their cues from young activist advisors and civil servants.

Either he's been hacked or the dementors haven't found him yet...