Where is the drive coming from?

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I don't get it. Time after time, so many high profile cases where institutions and corporations push for self ID/gender ideology/queer theory and the impacted people or customers have clearly said 'no', and I thought that must be it, it'll stop after this - it doesn't, it just carries on, wave after wave of this BS, it's relentless.

It's like they don't care what the customers think even if they get boycotted, e.g. BudLight, Maybelline, Costa, Dr Martin are recent cases that come to mind. Do companies not care about falling sales and bad PR anymore, do they not care about making profits, how do they continue to exist?

Schools - where is the drive to keep going with this BS despite parents objecting and pupils calling it out. Drag queen story time in libraries, why are some councils pushing this?

Sorry I meant safe schools alliance! Typing in a hurry

I think it's a drive towards AI and transhumanism.

Once you have separated humans from the biological reality of male and female it is but a short step towards separating humans from the biological reality of being human.

This came top down and some powerful group is determined to get more power.

You better hope I'm wrong.

I should have known. Isn't it appalling when parents have to watch their daughters have boundaries smashed by men - teachers and students?

i think in the U.K. the high tide is about now. As labour are moving towards a compromise position, other centre left-ish people and orgs will dare to do so with that permission/ cover.

I wish I believed you were right. A couple of years back, it looked as if Stonewall were on the ropes. They hid their list of signed up companies and hunkered down. They still have an incredible stranglehold on British institutions of all kinds and at all levels.

And now look what’s happening with the banks.

This is so deeply embedded, it’s impossible to see where it starts and ends. I believe women’s rights will win eventually, but it’s going to be a very long road still.

Yes indeed but the assistant head/head of EDI is a woman, a female "she/they". Early 30s. Totally evangelical.

I have a separate friend who is similar in beliefs and outspokenness and demographic.

A recent group chat quote from said friend "but don't forget some dick pics ARE solicited"

I don't think my school she-they is motivated by a drive for transhumanism. She, like that friend of mine, is totally socialised to be kind to "vulnerable" males. Socialised to believe that older or firm-minded women are hags.

No, I don't suppose she is. I was referring to the ones pulling the strings, not the ones dancing to their tune.

Very possibly a few are motivated by this, the ones pushing the medical side of things.

I'm inclined to the more prosaic view about the msjority of this movement: the men behind all this crave (even more) power over women. Sexual power and control. See eg the men on sports authorities allowing men into female sports. Or the authorities allowing men into female prisons. See the high profile 3-letter acronym men.

The few women who dance to their tune, as you put it, are socialised to "protect" vulnerable males against us uppity hags.

The transhumanism side of things is definitely part of it but only the medical part, the body "correction" part. The other political manoeuvres aren't medical. Purely women-punishing.

There is something odd going on though, that’s not visible, or at least that’s how it feels. There is Helen Joyce’s sunk costs theory: people who have transed their children, or allowed them to be transed, cannot afford psychologically to backtrack. Where they are in positions of power, changing the direction of travel is going to be nearly impossible.

I think this aspect shouldn't be underestimated. When someone comes over as completely TWAW and won't listen to any other viewpoint, it often turns out that they have a child or a close relative who identifies as trans.

There are a lot of Susie Greens out there now. And if one of them is in a position of power in a company or organisation, they can force the whole company/organisation to go along with their belief. The Society of Authors being an obvious example. People can be scared of upsetting the person with the trans identified child/relative or getting fired for doing so.

Thanks all. Lots of food for thought.

And of the virtual signalling, pronouned ilk of useful idiots who think they are being progressive and on the right side of history etc., do you think they are aware that many hiring managers can see the red flags from their pronouns and turns of phrases, and it’s mostly a ‘no’ for hiring them.

Do they know this, or do they not care, or maybe they don’t have the self awareness, or exist in an echo chamber? Would it make a difference if they realised that many view them as trouble makers in an organisation.

I also agree there are a lot of “Susie Greens” out there, who have gone so far into this they cannot turn back or admit their mistakes, they are entrenched. They thought of turning back must be horrific for them and an impossibility given what they have done to their children.

I think so few hiring managers CAN see it.

The head of safeguarding I mentioned who has been converted, is a man in his 60s who has worked at my school for over 30 years, teaching multiple generations of the same families. An old school tie type man. The type you'd think would be too traditional to be converted by Be Kind.

He doesn't think too deeply about it, trusts the head of EDI has looked into it, she is the resident expert. He hears the pseudo legalese, the misrepresentations of the Equality Act, and swallows it all. He's your average boss, imo. This is how the average boss is reacting to their head of EDI.

@Mummy08m if people don’t see it, be they potential employees or hiring managers, I would see that as a massive red flags to their critical thinking abilities or integrity, depending on whether they actually know what it is about.

Agreed, of course. Being a manager (hiring, advertising, or any other kind) is not an indicator of critical thinking abilities. People aren't promoted for their thinking. They're promoted for all sorts of other things, some circumstantial. Some managers are brilliant minds and some are idiots, there's no correlation really

Most people are faxing it in for their jobs. They will go along with it unless there is a direct problem they personally have to deal with.

Quite often people are recruited exactly for this compliant tendency, deference etc. Critical thinking not so much.

Dreadful. I'm sure lots of parents would homeschool if they could afford it. Although the things like guides/scouts you might want to put children in to socialise are captured too.

Huge thanks to @PriOn1 please read

https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/#.WowaHsS0mwM.twitter

I haven't had a chance to read the article posted above (although I will later) but I do think in the majority of these progress flag companies, it's the same as at my school. It's not some multicorporation conspiracy.

Each company simply has a zealot EDI. The bosses around them don't think about it too hard and just nod it through, "that's EDI's dept, let them do their thing."

That's how we wind up with a double mastectomy cartoon in a coffee shop ad.

We few GC mumsnetters might do a little boycott drive but it won't touch their numbers, they'll wave it away under COL. A few angry people will write in and be ignored.

Somewhat related to this, there are some really interesting interviews online with a woman called Keri Smith, who talks about what it was like to be part of the Social Justice Cult.
It's very US centred, but still a really good insight into why so many people (especially young women) go along with and support this stuff.

@Farmageddon thank you

Nothing gets in the way of men and their sex drive.

I think each company has at least one senior emoloyee who believes their fanbase is more virtuous than those of the other companies who stumbled in their calling.

I think the point of the money behind it is that someone created all those zealot EDIs. Universities have all changed from women’s studies to gender studies, for example. If you look at most people on the ground, they don’t believe for a moment that men are women. This movement is top down and hasn’t appeared simultaneously in so many countries by accident.

There’s an extent to which I would suspect they’ve been fortunate. There seems to be a strong overlap between the type of men who work in Silicon Valley and men who cross dress, for example, which means large parts of social media are captured. There’s also no doubt it’s a movement that appeals to misogynists who have been angry over the changes brought by the women’s rights movements, but the seeds were sown somewhere. It’s not an organic grass-roots movement.

"There seems to be a strong overlap between the type of men who work in Silicon Valley...but the seeds were sown somewhere. It’s not an organic grass-roots movement"

Which kind of links to my point. AI development in Silicon Valley - And elsewhere . In a world where increasingly who controls tech controls pretty much everything and everyone.

Where AI requires a suspension of belief in what it means to be human. And if you can convince (some/many) people to doubt their own perception and see a woman where there is clearly a man it's a short step to convincing them a computer programme/robot is really just another kind of human. And those that disagree are just bigoted/boring old women who "don't understand".

I know I'm not being very articulate here. But a massive power grab is the only thing that makes sense to me.

Again, I hope I'm wrong but...

Check out the hundreds of humanist organisations in US. All run by biological men, a big proportion of those heads have now transed.

It's an assault on reality over multiple fronts. The AGP impulse absolutely runs deep.

I think that’s definitely on M. Rothblatt’s agenda, SunnieShine. Very difficult to discuss any of this because it’s open to accusations of conspiracy theories.

There’s something going on here that is very much unlike the human rights advances we’ve seen in the past though, which gathered momentum and support over time, unlike this which seemingly arrived very suddenly everywhere and appears to be gradually losing support as the public become aware of the ramifications.