Where is the drive coming from?

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I don't get it. Time after time, so many high profile cases where institutions and corporations push for self ID/gender ideology/queer theory and the impacted people or customers have clearly said 'no', and I thought that must be it, it'll stop after this - it doesn't, it just carries on, wave after wave of this BS, it's relentless.

It's like they don't care what the customers think even if they get boycotted, e.g. BudLight, Maybelline, Costa, Dr Martin are recent cases that come to mind. Do companies not care about falling sales and bad PR anymore, do they not care about making profits, how do they continue to exist?

Schools - where is the drive to keep going with this BS despite parents objecting and pupils calling it out. Drag queen story time in libraries, why are some councils pushing this?

This is a presentation by Martine Rothblatt in 2016 linking transgender and transhuman technology.
Very interesting in relation to this discussion!
(It's about an hour long).
I watched it years ago- but this discussion made me go and re-find it.
I'll have to watch it myself again- as can't remember the details but it immediately came to mind

@PriOn1 True. But AI isn't a theory, it's happening now, including the bots on Mumsnet.

And is my theory more or less crazy than the leader of the Labour party publicly declaring that "not just women have a cervix"?

Anyway, my head is spinning, I don't want to be right, and I'm off to paint my bedroom for the day. 😀

This somewhat takes me back to Mary Harrington talking about the way birth control has changed people's thinking around health care. So, a drug, in this case, which actually suppresses the natural body functions, is seen as giving health, and also as basic health care.

It's very difficult for us now to think about this clearly, not least because childbearing really is hard on the body. But I think it's important to look at it really clearly. The function of sex is to reproduce by creating offspring. The function of birth control is to allow people to make that act functionally unrelated to reproduction, to make us infertile, at least temporarily. That's notionally very different than stopping disease, restoring body systems that aren't operating properly, or repairing a broken leg.

In a way many strains of feminism have actually hardened this, because they conceptualize this kind of control over pregnancy, while still allowing sexual intercourse, as necessarily for women to live fully authentic, free lives. So it is only by having the option of changing our human biological function through technology that women can exist as fully human autonomous beings.

People will sometimes argue that it's not that important in feminism, but just try having a discussion with feminists and argue that birth control and abortion aren't integral pieces to women's freedom/political autonomy. Most can't really even conceptualize what a feminism where those things aren't available, or aren't necessary, would look like.

It is important not to underestimate that point. Whatever the financial motives of the academica and businesses and money people driving this, the male participants are hugely influenced by porn, and males are exposed to porn now in ways they have never been before. That in turn is affecting all those women socialised to be kind.

Those men want sexual pleasure, and the ways they titillate themselves become steadily more extreme. People are still talking about 'it isn't about sex it's about power and domination' a cliche driven in the 80s when the whole sex-positive indoctrination started. Most of it is about sex for men, physical pleasure for men, ways for men to obtain sexual pleasure, male addiction and escalation.

One of the tips of the porn iceberg is the way schoolchildren are now expected to follow fashion, use cosmetics, distribute images of themselves, and have intimate (not necessarily sexual) relationships within a defined sexual orientation.

It's highly profitable for so many producers.

And then some girls want out.

I think there’s a very vocal monitory that are pushing it and most people are scared to object as they will be labelled bigots and transphobes.

When something becomes embedded in organisations it becomes institutionalised, and when something is institutionalised and it takes on a life of its own. It runs automatically in a systemic and methodical way.

When an idea or a concept or a specific practice becomes embedded in such a way it soon becomes a 'total' institution within a generation or two. The founding principles or ideals are soon forgotten and the insitution simply replicates the practices and procedures put in place; with certain roles or jobs dedicated to ensuring they do.

When something becomes so ingrained in this way it takes root and branch surgery to alter its course, or to change it. We are having to chip away at an established edifice - bit by bit. It will take a long time.

Many people are caught up in the institution of TRA ideology: young people, their parents and families ( think of all those famous people and MPs with trans identified youngsters and children); a trans affirmative medical establishment ( embedded within the NHS); people who have committed their career to promoting trans ideology ( academics, teachers), and all those who saw an ecomic opportuinity and growth area and were quick to cash in on it.....and now big corporates keen to appear relevent and to keep up and coming generations of consumers on board.

I don’t want you to be right. I fear you are.

Painting is good therapy, isn’t it!

this document which was partly written by Rosie Duffield and Miriam Cates is a response to the way that "gender identity beliefs came to be so embedded within the school system, by tracking the influence of external agencies promoting radical and unscientific beliefs within both the Department for Education and schools themselves. This has created a safeguarding blind spot when it comes to the issue of gender, which must be rectified urgently"

https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/asleep-at-the-wheel/

Sure is @PriOn1.

Someone posted a link to a YouTube video linking transgender/ transhumanism above. Don't think I can face watching it...😒

Yes, this is pretty much what I was going to say.

I think its quite similar to how terrible policies take root in large multi national corporations.

I imagine no one individual is responsible for testing formula milk on premature babies in India. Babies died because of Nestle's policy, there, but has anyone been actually charged with murder? Or has the culpability disappeared into some miasma of organisational buck-passing?

Reference: https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/nestle-violates-law-in-india-conducts-clinical-trials-on-premature-infants-for-baby-food

I would also say - granulation. Drip feeding and muddling T issues in with other possibly linked but very different issues (LGB/sexuality mixed in with gender incongruence - even those who think there are natural affinities between trans people and homosexually attracted people must surely recognise taht they groups are not interchangeable - yet they are all treated as one monolithic entity, and further, treated as though all those who share any of these characteristics are all of one mind, which as we know is just not the case at all).

I think there's also a significant number of people who've nailed their not so much their colours to the mast but their trousers, and now they can't climb down*. They might not have trans friends/relatives/children but they took the TWAW/be kind stance because it seemed the right thing to do, and acted accordingly which included ostracising friends/relatives for 'bigotry' or 'transphobia'.

I can see where they come from, I've long since held the view that Boomers/Gen X and later look back on the fight for women's equality, race equality, gay equality and wonder why it was so vociferously opposed. So when a new equality fight was presented, people fell over themselves to show they weren't repeating the mistakes of the past.

Obviously that's been massively hijacked but it takes a lot for someone who has, say, ended friendships or made accusations to recognised that and say, "Actually, I was wrong, I'm sorry".

(*A Sir Humphrey-ism!)

A feature of trans ideology is the way it cuckoos onto existing issues - gay/autism/fetishes - then takes them over and uses them to further it's own aims. So it seems like different things but it's all part of feeding the monster.

SidewaysOtter

when a new equality fight was presented, people fell over themselves to show they weren't repeating the mistakes of the past

I think lots of us, maybe most of us, went through that phase, but then started to notice how misogynist it was, and how damaged young female friends / relations who'd been bamboozled into 'transistion' were, and started remembering the young women we knew a generation ago who cut themselves or starved themselves or claimed to be ponies, and the really creepy men we knew who fixated on womens clothes and lavatories and POW!

And once the scales have fallen they don't come back.

Satan. The drive comes from Satan.

At least that's what I think, it's the only way I can get my head around it.

Yes, I think this idea that expoitative/bad sex, or sexual assault and rape, are about power and not sex, has led to some rather muddled thinking, that does no favours when we are trying to think about how we might minimize those things in society.

The sex drive is very powerful, it's a powerful motivator to action, in both women and men. It manifests quite differently between the sexes.But if you imagine it's not having an effect themn many important links will be missed.

Yes, women aren't influenced by porn in the same way, but naive girls are I think influenced by fan fiction, seeing an alternative route to romance and sex and love if only they could be young men.

And that is doomed to fail.

As for Satan, I do from time to time fall back on the old traditional shield

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil . . . . . .

It was me Sunnie. Sorry! I wouldn't suggest it other than it linked with some earlier posts- so anyone interested in that side of things might be interested.
Think it disturbed my emotional equilibrium when I watched it a while ago- at the early foothills when I was voraciously consuming anything I came across in an effort to make sense of it all. But it was interesting.
It did come to mind when reading Simon Edge's book too.
Defintely give it a pass if you think it would disturb- (even more than everything else)

Two things.

1. Public institutions like libraries, civil service, schools etc have for years been under huge pressure to show that they are doing stuff on “diversity”. Originally intended to stop all the top jobs being held by white middle class men, this idea has been subverted so that taxpayer money is now spent on trying to recruit children into picking a sexual identity, dressing in a sexual way and being sexually available to partners (often much older) who they would not otherwise have considered.
2. Paedophile networks cross many different professions and have thrown a lot of time and money into trying to normalise their ideas that children have sexuality and should explore it with grown ups, preferably naked male grown ups.

The Yogyakarta principles introduced in 2006 I think are key starting point

I took early retirement from a public sector job in Ireland14 years ago - at was all a bit rushed at the time of the economic collapse, but I had crumbly elderly parents and too the jump. I never regretted it.

In the weeks before I finished, one thing that really made me feel I was doing the right thing was the questionnaire asking me to detail what I was going to do to promote AND MONITOR inclusion in each of the 9 categories listed under the equality legislation. Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of access, equality and fairness, but it was glaring obvious that the only way you could monitor and quantify that would be by being simplistic in approach and rigid in implementation - awful awful combination. I can understand why people fell back on outsourced training.

So lovely to be able to bin it.

I’m reading this thread and nodding along to so much of it. In reality, it seems like the perfect storm. There’s a degree of coordination coupled with secrecy that allowed a lot of infiltration, but there are factors that involve a lot of luck.

That said, I know the women of TERF Island really threw a spanner in the works by halting the GRA changing to self-ID.

That was, I think, meant to be the coup de grace in the UK. It would have legally cemented all the stealth manoeuvring by the likes of Stonewall, who introduced self-ID under the guise of “getting ahead of the law,” so not everything has gone their way.

It's like they don't care what the customers think even if they get boycotted, e.g. BudLight, Maybelline, Costa, Dr Martin are recent cases that come to mind. Do companies not care about falling sales and bad PR anymore, do they not care about making profits, how do they continue to exist?

Boycotts only work if the majority of customers agree and a significant number participate. As it is, the boycotts you refer to were only done by a tiny minority, so the company isn’t going to comply with a tiny minority of customers’ demands when it would risk a larger number of customers boycotting them in counter-protest.