Absolutely disgusting that this was allowed to happen

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Was transitioned at 13. I just can't understand how doctors were allowed to do this to confused children.

The detransitioners are now coming out the woodwork and I am sure many of them will sue and they deserve compensation for what has been done to them. Children being sterilised and having their boobs cut off and penises inverted - it sounds like something from a medieval horror movie. What happened to the hippocratic oath of do no harm?

I hope those who have done medical experiments on these children are scared of what is coming. And it is coming.

We'll see more and more of this. The bullying and intimidation of these young women and men is coming to an end. They are bearing witness to one of the biggest medical scandals of our lifetimes. Medics, psychologists, aided and abetted by politicians and numerous dodgy adult groups are being allowed to gaslight children into believing their bodies are flawed and drugs & surgery will fix them.

The harm being done to these young by these vile people is off the scale.

Oh dear. What an absolute shit show. Poor young woman. I agree, it’s incomprehensible to me that a doctor could feel it was ok to cut offa child’s breasts and put them on a lifetime of medication in pursuit of a lie. Where was their imagination?Where was their conscience? Did it honestly not occur to them that at least some of these children would be back saying why did you do it? I was a child, why didn’t you protect me?
I was reading a tra view of detransitioners the other day, can’t link as I’ve forgotten, but it was on Twitter and fairly trans mainstream. It’s weird, because to be trans all that is required is to say you are trans, or have your parents say it for you, but they were clear that only surgically and/or hormonally treated people can be accepted as detransitioners. Social transition is not enough . So the numbers were then estimated as a maximum of 1% of all trans people and therefore insignificant. But I thought transpeople were themselves at a maximum of 1% of the total population, and yet they are so important that they need to completely dominate political discourse, womens sport, rape crisis, breast feeding groups, pshe provision, diversity and social inclusion, the NHS, the catwalk etc etc. I just dont understand why leading activists and groups like Stonewall and Mermaids aren’t saying yes we have a duty of care to transitioners AND detransitioners.

Hasn't the 'yeet your teats' doc deliberately structured herself financially so there is nothing to lose? She has no medical malpractice insurance IIRC and doesn't accept patients who are using insurance to pay, as they require it. Yes she can loose her medical license still, but as I understood it, any of her patients who want to sue will have no assets to go after.

Two things about that post really strike me.

Firstly, she is so frightened of being honest with the people who are supposed to be looking after her, that her mum has to talk for her.

Secondly:

The doctor...acted so happy like this was my gender jourey and it's so great

This is the affirmation model. Whatever the patient wants, they must be affirmed in. (Patient - or client?) The doctor appears to completely bypass any professional curiosity or rigor. Or compassion.

Appalling.

Also that no one ever suggested therapy- just stuck her on hormones.

I dont remember the sums now, but the teet yeeter makes a small fortune, with next to no costs, all cash (in advance) extras that would be included in insurance cover are charged. Her advertising is minimal cost wise but cleverly marketed.
And she has a clinic ready in Mexico (she might have gone there already, I cant access the farms to find out)
She does or did maybe 8 operations a day at roughly 12k each. And that woman deserves to be in prison for what she has done. I can only imagine she is a Psychopath who really detests women and girls.

And yes she set up knowingly without insurance in a state she could get away with this. Awful awful woman. Detestable.

Yes, the 'pronoun asking' that she's done with.

Every time they ask what are your pronouns, they are endorsing the entire fucking shit show.

Yeah that happened 🙄🙄

Why do some people believe everything they read on the internet.

I’m a billionaire who’s married to Elvis Presley.

We know - and women have penises and children are fully able to consent to brutal surgery and life long infertility. 🙄

Lets reverse that:
Why do you believe it DIDNT happen?

What makes me angry, is that detransitioners spoke to the Scottish Parliament about their horrific experiences, yet they still voted it through and ignored their statements. Only the tories and a few from other parties seemed to think it was a problem.

Chloe Cole was diagnosed with dysphoria at 9
Put on testosterone at 13
Had her breasts removed at 15
Was suicidal
Now back to being a woman

But it doesn't happen

Assume this is in the US where they happily put children on puberty blockers age 10 😡

"*Yes, the 'pronoun asking' that she's done with.

Every time they ask what are your pronouns, they are endorsing the entire fucking shit show.*"

And yet the NHS is embracing pronouns like a new all curing cancer treatment. The CEO of my hospital has posted a video explaining why she is adding her pronouns to her email and inviting us all to follow suit. (Not that I've noticed anyone doing it yet).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12351779/EXCLUSIVE-NHS-staff-tell-patients-preferred-pronouns-create-safe-space-transgender-people.html

Which is absolutely awful and the law needs to be changed but even she had a year of claiming to be in the ‘wrong body’ before being given medication.

Even in America you don’t turn up at the doctors and they immediately give you medication.

I am 100% on your side and am disgusted with how some people get away with what is essentially child abuse but spreading fake stories that some random kid has write on Reddit isn’t helping the cause.

Why do you think it is fake?

We know it has been happening. There are many similar detransistioners stories which are now coming out.

Most of them say their parents were told that they either affirm their child and put them on drugs or they will have a dead child.

Young teenagers being prescribed drugs rather than therapy is pretty standard from what these people are saying

The impact of stating pronouns is a) people don't realise that gender identity is a belief that they can choose to follow or not (they think it's a fact that everyone has a gender identity) and b) any child or adolescent who has a belief in gender identity (perhaps through school and/or social media) may then feel an obligation to state theirs in black and white terms at a time when they may be struggling with the natural physical and emotional changes that are related to puberty i.e. an obligation to "pick a side", when they are emotionally confused about who they are.

This girl is detransitioning. What do you think happens to kids who realise they can't be the opposite sex? Seriously. What other way could this have possibly gone?

i'd love to hear what, exactly, you think would make this more plausible than it already is.

As I said upthread, it took over a year of self harm and attempted suicide for her to be given medication (which I disagree on).

You do not go to a doctor and they immediately give you medication like testosterone or hormone blockers.

There is a big issue that needs dealing with but it’s not dealt with by spreading false information.

It just makes people think that there is no issue with kids being trans because if there are multiple stories that are completely false, people will stop believing the true stories.

Detransitioners have been around as long as transitioning has been around. Studies show that around 1% regret transitioning and then detransition. There is no human decision where 0% of people experience regret about it.

The same with parenthood, after all over 8% of parents regret having children so I don’t think that the existence of transition regret and detransitioning by itself is going to be the huge scandal some think it might be.

I think the scandal is more in terms of children being allowed to transition when they really do not have the capacity to consent to it. The age for medical consent needs to be carefully considered.

Detransitioners have been around as long as transitioning has been around. Studies show that around 1% regret transitioning and then detransition. There is no human decision where 0% of people experience regret about it.

The 1% figure bears no relation to today's transgender population. It is from a small study in the 1980s when the numbers of transgender people were vanishingly small and of those, were almost always boys. Also they had been through the original Dutch protocol of watchful waiting rather than today's affirmation model. Sadly nobody knows the numbers now because nobody is keeping the data.
Unfortunately many detransitioners are silenced or told (like in original post) that it is simply another transition to celebrate.

No it isn’t, the 1% figure is from a 2021 systematic review of 27 studies from the US and Canada of over 7,928 individuals. Don’t know why you are stuck in the 1980s.

Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence
March 2021
“Background:There is an unknown percentage of transgender and gender non-confirming individuals who undergo gender-affirmation surgeries (GAS) that experiences regret. Regret could lead to physical and mental morbidity and questions the appropriateness of these procedures in selected patients. The aim of this study was to evaluate the prevalence of regret in transgender individuals who underwent GAS and evaluate associated factors.
Methods:A systematic review of several databases was conducted. Random-effects meta-analysis, meta-regression, and subgroup and sensitivity analyses were performed.
Results:A total of 27 studies, pooling 7928 transgender patients who underwent any type of GAS, were included. The pooled prevalence of regret after GAS was 1% (95% CI <1%–2%). Overall, 33% underwent transmasculine procedures and 67% transfemenine procedures. The prevalence of regret among patients undergoing transmasculine and transfemenine surgeries was <1% (IC <1%–<1%) and 1% (CI <1%–2%), respectively. A total of 77 patients regretted having had GAS. Twenty-eight had minor and 34 had major regret based on Pfäfflin’s regret classification. The majority had clear regret based on Kuiper and Cohen-Kettenis classification.
Conclusions:Based on this review, there is an extremely low prevalence of regret in transgender patients after GAS. We believe this study corroborates the improvements made in regard to selection criteria for GAS. However, there is high subjectivity in the assessment of regret and lack of standardized questionnaires, which highlight the importance of developing validated questionnaires in this population.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

Ah, the old 1% regret lie. A 2021 systematic review does not include any of those who have been transitioned in the last 5-10 years. No single gender clinic can produce any reliable data on where its patients are 5-10 years or more after commencing treatment.

The regret rate is unknown.

You do not go to a doctor and they immediately give you medication like testosterone or hormone blockers.

It’s as though some people wilfully don’t pay attention.

Yesssss. It's been a while since I've seen the 1% figure brought out again.
@SwitchDiver I'm going to assume you posted that in good faith and haven't seen all the information supporting why this isn't correct.

Unfortunately the article that you linked to is full of very gender identity-led language. It talks about people being assigned a sex at birth and also the incredible importance of gender-affirming care amongst other things. Several red flags there.

A 2021 systematic review does not include any of those who have been transitioned in the last 5-10 years.

The review includes 9 studies that are less than 10yrs old, the newest were from 2019. The regret rate cannot be “unknown” when we have so many peer reviewed scientific studies showing a similar regret rate in 14 countries. I do wonder at such insistence on ignoring data that is current!

It’s one thing to argue that a regret rate may be different now than it was in 2021 (2yrs ago), but to claim it is unknown is just plain silly.