TW seeking euthanasia after GAC

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Noticed this article in the DM, it's tragic and imo symptomatic of the insanity running riot in Canada with GI and MAiD. I hope Lois can find a way forward that does not involve suicide. Lois has a voice and perspective that needs to be heard.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12349523/Trans-indigenous-Canadian-slams-doctors-denying-euthanasia-request-saying-death-free-agony-surgically-built-vagina.html?ico=related-replace

I think I recall another thread or post about Lois, but I couldn't find it. Lois is still so young, it's heartbreaking.

That is a grim read. I hope that they find some lasting solution soon. How horrific that they have lived with this since 2009 and no solution has been found.

I have heard of them before. I think I remember reading tweets about their application. They are quite right though to point out the lack of services that are available to them as someone who needs intensive support now.

A sad read.

A lot of the so-called trans hate is fuelled by the trans community, because we aren't allowed to have honest and tough conversations.'

Absolutely, trans healthcare is an absolute travesty, the affirmation only model of care has led to a do now and to hell with any consequences. Any concerns people have have immediately been shot down by the trans community.

Lois has been desperately let down and will sadly be the first of many.

It's so so sad that these surgeries are allowed. How many thousands will come forward? I don't agree with maid at all, but no Dr should be mutilating peoples genitals.

Earlier thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4724249-alberta-mtf-transgender-wants-assisted-suicide-after-sexual-reassignment-surgery-goes-sour

Canada is fucked up

Canada seems to have lost all moral judgement, the whole trans agenda and it's extreme surgeries seem supported by their press. The MAID programme seems to be travelling in an unhealthy direction as well.

I had the opportunity to go to live in Canada a few years ago, and while I was disappointed at the time that it fell through nowadays I thank my lucky stars. I think since Trump they want so much to not be ‘that cold bit at the top that’s like the US’ they have gone stark raving mad in their liberal ideals.
The application of MAID sends shivers down my spine.

Oh God, that poor person.

Wtf have they been left in such distress with such poor pain management that they want to escape it through death? Yes, it's wicked that this awful surgery was done to them and has caused this intentionally in what was a healthy, comfortable body, but now they've been landed with a permanent severe chronic pain condition that's wrecking their lives, wtf is the care and management? They seem to be saying they've been left with more or less nothing.

That is desperately sad. Do the surgeons who did this know?

Where on earth is the very loud, very wealthy, hugely political influential, heavily taxpayer/government funded lobby/charity groups to represent this poor person and force the urgent pain care they needed? Why aren't they screaming about this?

<Rhetorical. Sadly, I know.>

So much for the Hippocratic oath 😢

Ironically, the medical profession generally does very little to offer pain management to women.

Because that’s how the Canadian system works.

Regardless of the reason for the pain, they’ll propose MAID before offering the strong painkillers that would make a condition bearable.
Plenty of stories in Canada around that.

Unfortunately, not a trans issue p.

However, thé talk about what happens after surgery simply doesn’t happen. Which is crazy because more than 30% of trans still experience severe pain years after their surgery.
There is a question about informed consent there too….

Is it worse than women taking 16 year to Thailand for a birthday castration rather than seeking family therapy to address the homophobia the boy was growing up in.

Well, that woman should have been arrested years ago for child abuse but there you go.

Yes I agree, the woman should have been arrested. Instead she was held up to be some kind of figurehead, an unqualified spokesperson. What she stands for is transing away the gay. Perhaps as time moves forward and the plight of the 1000's of young detransitioners in the UK (#detrans) is more visible the media will stop promoting this dangerous claptrap.

The person in question is not a woman. A woman is an adult human female.

Thanks for finding the earlier thread @OldCrone, I knew I'd seen one.

I think @Brk is making the point that women's pain is always downplayed. From periods to childbirth to saddles(!). Well, Lois you want to 'be' a woman? Well, here it is. Welcome to the neglected, downplayed, ignored half of humanity. No one, absolutely no one, least of all Lois, truly believes he's a woman.

I think detrans are the distaff side of trans, neglected, downplayed and ignored. Not so much fun in repairing the 'true, authentic self'. It means acknowledging you fucked up.

Google Scott Newgent.

Here's an article to start you off:

www.genderdysphoriaalliance.com/post/meet-scott-newgent

It really demonstrates the limits of consent, I think. The more I read and observe, the more adamant I become on this issue. I used to think that adults could do what they liked and only children should be protected from this kind of medical insanity, but actually, I'm growing increasingly sure that nobody can properly consent to this. The outcomes are not as advertised (you will not change sex) and the side effects range from ghoulish to distressing.

I think that's the irony. They wanted to be a woman, in this respect at least they're being treated like one.

I remember the detailed, complex consent procedures my cancer patients had to go through to have radical surgery, chemotherapy and radiotherapy, and for some of them the list of possible side-effects and complications made them decline life-saving or life-prolonging treatments. I’d love to sit in on a few trans hormone/surgery consultations to see how they compare.

The other difference between my cancer patients and trans “patients” is that sometimes mine would BEG the doctors and surgeons for treatments they couldn’t have (due to the extent of the disease, for example), and were told “no, I’m sorry, that treatment would be inappropriate/dangerous/futile”. That’s normal, most patients (bar cosmetic surgery) can’t just demand the treatment they want, not here in the UK anyway.

How could it be otherwise when you're effectively creating an open wound which is never allowed to heal?

And questions about how vulnerable people's consent is at risk of being manipulated, when powerful political lobbies with a dodgy relationship with the truth, and expensive, experimental surgeries with all the attractions to surgeons, are involved in this particular wild west.

I've just watched the fascinating A Change of Sex on iPlayer about transgender activist Grant in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Her surgery was badly botched, which I assumed was because of how experimental the surgery was when she had it done in 1980. She spent more than 15yrs in pain before it was addressed by another doctor.

So terrible to hear that the same surgery is still being botched to this level, I assumed that was all a thing of the past.