TW seeking euthanasia after GAC

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Noticed this article in the DM, it's tragic and imo symptomatic of the insanity running riot in Canada with GI and MAiD. I hope Lois can find a way forward that does not involve suicide. Lois has a voice and perspective that needs to be heard.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12349523/Trans-indigenous-Canadian-slams-doctors-denying-euthanasia-request-saying-death-free-agony-surgically-built-vagina.html?ico=related-replace

I think I recall another thread or post about Lois, but I couldn't find it. Lois is still so young, it's heartbreaking.

This is really kind of an oddity in medical ethics terms, or maybe a change in focus?

Because the idea that adults can consent to anything, and doctors should just do it, has never been how doctors are supposed to operate.

Doctors generally are supposed to offer best practice kinds of options, and not offer procedures that are ultimately harmful or not about improving or maintaining health.

Even many generally accepted kinds of cosmetic surgery were once considered pretty questionable for this reason, it has no medical benefit and carries real risk. Years ago, people justified it on the basis that it would improve mental health, but that was never a slam dunk argument, or even a very strong one, from a medical ethics perspective.

The whole, "if people consent it is ok" thing is just dodgy all around and is part of why we are where we are.

The most worrisome part for me is just how absolutely rudimental and in a lot of cases worryingly ignorant most men ( and especially gay men) are about female biology that they can be convinced that their surgery will in any way replicate the experience ( cosmetic or the lived reality) of having a vagina. I mean, it would be more realistic to gaffer tape a Fleshlight to your stomach.

I would be interested to know how many ( if any) female surgeons have been involved in vaginoplasty surgery as it seems part and parcel of the way women are treated in healthcare that this isn't seen as the travesty that it is.

Oh, this is heart-breaking.

This is why really really detailed informed consent is needed for gender reassignment surgery. I think also of the brave Ritchie Tullip [sp?] on Twitter, who speaks of his constant pain.

But as a PP says, it shows the general ignorance of real women's anatomy and bodily functions and physiology.

And these poor men have been let down by the health care professionals who should have cared properly for them, and also let down by the 'trans community' (s-called) who should also be caring for them, even as these men go into detransition.

I think that's the irony. They wanted to be a woman, in this respect at least they're being treated like one

I hate to say it, but from my experience of Canada, Native Americans in Alberta are the group that is most discrimated against. Give me life as a mere woman any day.

Even many generally accepted kinds of cosmetic surgery were once considered pretty questionable for this reason, it has no medical benefit and carries real risk. Years ago, people justified it on the basis that it would improve mental health, but that was never a slam dunk argument, or even a very strong one, from a medical ethics perspective.

That's what this 'gender affirming' surgery is. Cosmetic surgery. Similarly, treatment with opposite-sex hormones. The desired result is a change in appearance. The patient does not change sex. The justification for it ranges from 'it will improve the patient's mental health' to 'I should have it because I want it.' One extreme is unproven, possibly even disproven, the other is not a justification for medical mutilation.

Thanks for sharing. Wow. Mind blown.

‘A 4000% increase in children claiming to be trans and put in the meat market line to begin transition. I discovered that Lupron makes eight times more profit when children are prescribed hormone blockers than when the prescription is written for adults. Yes you read that right!’

Is anyone following the money and working out who is funding the RSE resources for kids that normalise double mastectomy scars for example and teenage transition - when until 18 children can’t vote, buy alcohol and cigarettes or get married. But are deemed mature enough to make life-long decisions about their bodies.

I can’t help comparing it to the experience of a friend of mine from school, who knew she didn’t want children and asked her GP for sterilisation every time she went to get a new prescription for the contraceptive pill. She was told “No, you might change your mind” every single time. She never changed her mind.

My fear is that this is less about money and more about adults with a vested interest being allowed to gaslight children in to accepting sex change and infertility as a choice this creating a group of young people both physically and mentally vulnerable.
I've been involved in safeguarding for years and genuinely try not to be paranoid, but the lack of resistance to all this from supposedly responsible adults and organisations suggests some very powerful influences in the background.
I can't see any rational for safeguarding being removed from children without the presence of some very dubious people.

Rudderneck said "This is really kind of an oddity in medical ethics terms, or maybe a change in focus?

Because the idea that adults can consent to anything, and doctors should just do it, has never been how doctors are supposed to operate."

I think this is an effect of private health care. Think of Prince, Michael Jackson, or any of the other wealthy and famous people who have died because of their addiction to painkillers, sleeping pills etc. All prescribed by their doctors. But in the highly paid private sector the customer is always right, and it's the money that decides what treatment to give, not medical knowledge or ethics.
It terrifies me.

I feel as though men know that you can't create a penis from arm skin. (I've seen some horrific images resembling an elephant trunk.) Men know that.

They should know that women's biology is even more complex- not just a high maintenance hole.

Anyone who would sign up for it is vulnerable.

I can't wrap my head around someone doing that. I mean, there's a lot I hate about my body... but I know when I'm fantasising about chopping bits of it off, that I need a mental health break.

This is very sad, what a horrible set of circumstances. I also wonder about the extent of informed consent.

It also strikes me as an interesting (in a sad, worrying way) the contrast between MAID (which I confess I know little about) and gender affirming surgery. There are concerns about extending MAiD to cover those affected by mental illness, presumably because how can they consent? People who are mentally ill may wholeheartedly believe they want to end their life, but we don’t encourage or enable them because we recognise that however much they might think they want to make that permanent decision, there is hope of recovery and hope that those feelings won’t last forever.

But when people present with gender dysphoria so severe they want to undergo risky surgeries that sterilise them and have lifelong negative impacts such as those affecting Lois, affirmative healthcare says ‘sure’ and encourages them to go for it. Alright, it’s not quite as drastic as assisted suicide, but it’s still extreme, life-altering and permanent - so why don’t we explore why those people want that and whether it might be a result of mental ill health or other factors? Why don’t we have the same ability to say ‘no, don’t do this, one day things might feel different to you’?

I suppose it’s because of the current thinking that gender dysphoria is not a mental illness.