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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Matt Walsh Tweet Critical of Feminism

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PorcelinaV · 25/07/2023 20:36

https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1683820604883869697

Feminism set the stage for trans activists by insisting for years that there are no significant or inherent differences between men and women apart from anatomy. They are the ones who came up with the idea that most differences between the sexes were “social constructs.”

https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1683820604883869697

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Mammillaria · 25/07/2023 20:45

I feel like he's taken 2 + 2 and got 45.

He needs to read those two statements back slowly and have another go...

NicCageisnotNickCave · 25/07/2023 20:53

‘Apart from anatomy’

Yes. That’s why we want single sex spaces divided up on the basis of anatomy, Matt!

And not on the basis of pink or blue brains or lady souls or who beats who in a map reading contest 🙄

NotTerfNorCis · 25/07/2023 20:55

These women will absurdly try to flip this around and claim that those of us with more “traditional” views on sex are the ones who somehow set the stage for transgenderism.

Is anyone claiming that?

Gender stereotypes are important to conservatives, sure. And in some conservative circles, being trans is seen as preferable to being gay. And cross-dressing has sometimes been popular in right wing cultures, like Nazi Germany. But I don't think conservatives can be blamed for how quickly genderism has taken off.

Backstreets · 25/07/2023 21:00

His movie was pretty funny and will teach some people who doesn’t want to listen to feminists about what is happening in the name of gender ideology.

He is still a complete weapon and always has been. He’s a grown man and his job is reacting to TikToks on YouTube. Men under 25 think he’s sophisticated because he’s got a neat beard and not a straggly ring of hair around his neck. We don’t have to take him seriously

littleripper · 25/07/2023 21:07

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Hepwo · 25/07/2023 21:09

I can't take that seriously. This is entirely down to men and their wide ranging predilictions!

I would say that it was more likely that surgery, antibiotics, anesthesia and synthetic hormones set the stage for transgenderism.

Without all that it's just clothes.

LoobiJee · 25/07/2023 21:32

Hepwo · 25/07/2023 21:09

I can't take that seriously. This is entirely down to men and their wide ranging predilictions!

I would say that it was more likely that surgery, antibiotics, anesthesia and synthetic hormones set the stage for transgenderism.

Without all that it's just clothes.

I suppose he’s got a point that, without feminism, women wouldn’t have any rights, and if women didn’t have any rights men wouldn’t be self-describing as women. But it’s basically a male supremacist: serves you right for answering back line of self justification.

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/07/2023 21:37

Matt Walsh is not GC. Nor is he feminist.

It is important to remember that not all those who object to the Trans intrusion on women's rights are concerned about women. Donald Trump is a case in point. As is Matt Walsh, Tucker Carlson and GB News folk.

littleripper · 25/07/2023 21:39

He is utterly wrong. Feminists stating GENDER is bullshit and only anatomy exists is the opposite of BOTH his shitty conservative views AND trans nonsense. His views and trans nonsense both uphold the view that behaviours are innate to gender. Feminists believe sex is true and immutable but choices of clothing, make up, play, behaviour and sexual identity are fluid and gender prescribes nothing. His views support trans activists by prescribing behaviour and appearance to gender, nothing to do with us.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 25/07/2023 21:41

This!! He’s not & never has been a feminist

Ofcourseshecan · 25/07/2023 21:50

no significant or inherent differences between men and women apart from anatomy.

Wow. Do you think he realised he’d said that out loud?

We’ll say this very slowly and clearly, for the hard-of-understanding: Yes Matt, that is pre-cise-ly what we have been talking about.

DarkDayforMN · 25/07/2023 21:58

Is anyone claiming that?

Some people are saying that. I think it's a reasonable argument in that the more strictly gender stereotypes are enforced, the more girls are chafing to escape them. But it's only a piece of the truth. You don't get many AGPs in societies where women's roles are heavily restricted. And of course girls don't get the option to pretend to be boys in those societies either. And Matt Walsh wants that kind of society IIRC; he wants a theocracy.

I even think Matt Walsh is partly right in a bassackwards way too - genderism is clearly a backlash against women's rights and I think this is his broken-brained way of saying so. If he was capable of thinking logically about what he's saying, he would understand it makes no sense, but it feels true to him because he instinctively understands the male rage at women's claim to personhood that is driving so much of this.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 25/07/2023 22:36

He's part right. The populist / Buffy the vampire slayer / girls can do anything boys can do type of feminism that was strongly pushed in the media while I ws growing up did obscure the degree to which male bodies are faster and stronger than female bodies. I didn't realise the degree of difference until I saw the elite sportswomen vs high school boys stats on here. Nor did I know just how stark the sex difference is in sex offending stats.

There was also a feeling that women's physical differences to men were used as an argument that our minds/capabilities were also innately different and this made us not suited to the various high power/status roles in society, and mentioning our female bodies was playing into that narrative. To be valued and empowered as much as men, we had to have no meaingful differences to men.

So, you had this context where physical differences were not really being acknowledged.

Then into that comes the trans narrative and at first it does seem feminist = "hey look, male people can behave and act in traditionally female ways, that subverts sexist ideas about women, right?" and "These men are refugees from toxic masculinity, they are like us".

It took a while to realise that when they say "trans women are women" they don't mean it as a metaphor, they mean it totally literally, and they are not subverting society's outdated ideas about what is innate to womanhood but reinforcing them, and they are not feminist allies who sympathise with women trying to carve out their own safety and power in the face of the entitlement and violence of toxic masculinity, they are simply exhibiting the same entitlement in a different way.

OldCrone · 25/07/2023 22:56

You don't get many AGPs in societies where women's roles are heavily restricted.

Can we be sure of that? If men getting off on wearing women's clothes and pretending to be weak and feminine is a universal male trait for a small but significant percentage of the population (is it? I don't know), then these men might still exist even in societies where women don't have many rights.

PorcelinaV · 25/07/2023 22:58

His views and trans nonsense both uphold the view that behaviours are innate to gender.

Conservatives I'm thinking would believe in a real link between biology / gender and typical behaviour. There are natural differences between men and women. And maybe the different roles are a good thing and what God wants.

Trans ideology presumably has to deny that there is any real link, but it's rather all a social construct, and some people may want to imitate the biology side of the social construct.

Trans ideology could be conservative in a couple of ways perhaps. So trying to "trans away the gay" as the Iranians have been said to do.

Or alternatively, if someone really believed that gender roles were important to society, but that some people couldn't fulfil their ordinary role, then maybe you could argue that transition was a good thing.

But the average conservative would just think that such a thing is unnatural and isn't going to work. If you're gender noncomforming that's just how it is, and you aren't going to be able to successfully fulfil the role of the opposite sex.

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drspouse · 25/07/2023 22:59

He's a knob.

OldCrone · 25/07/2023 23:01

Feminism set the stage for trans activists

Does he realise that the vast majority of late transitioning males are driven not by anything to do with women being equal but precisely because women are not like men?

Men claiming to have lady brains aren't doing it because of feminism.

PorcelinaV · 25/07/2023 23:12

NicCageisnotNickCave · 25/07/2023 20:53

‘Apart from anatomy’

Yes. That’s why we want single sex spaces divided up on the basis of anatomy, Matt!

And not on the basis of pink or blue brains or lady souls or who beats who in a map reading contest 🙄

I'm not so sure.

Think of the toilets issue. If it were just an anatomy thing, then yes the typical female toilet is different to the typical male toilet because of anatomy, but really you could have unisex toilets without much of a problem. (And of course you sometimes can, and that's fine.)

It is the social and psychological dimension for why single sex spaces here are a good thing I think.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 25/07/2023 23:14

FlirtsWithRhinos · 25/07/2023 22:36

He's part right. The populist / Buffy the vampire slayer / girls can do anything boys can do type of feminism that was strongly pushed in the media while I ws growing up did obscure the degree to which male bodies are faster and stronger than female bodies. I didn't realise the degree of difference until I saw the elite sportswomen vs high school boys stats on here. Nor did I know just how stark the sex difference is in sex offending stats.

There was also a feeling that women's physical differences to men were used as an argument that our minds/capabilities were also innately different and this made us not suited to the various high power/status roles in society, and mentioning our female bodies was playing into that narrative. To be valued and empowered as much as men, we had to have no meaingful differences to men.

So, you had this context where physical differences were not really being acknowledged.

Then into that comes the trans narrative and at first it does seem feminist = "hey look, male people can behave and act in traditionally female ways, that subverts sexist ideas about women, right?" and "These men are refugees from toxic masculinity, they are like us".

It took a while to realise that when they say "trans women are women" they don't mean it as a metaphor, they mean it totally literally, and they are not subverting society's outdated ideas about what is innate to womanhood but reinforcing them, and they are not feminist allies who sympathise with women trying to carve out their own safety and power in the face of the entitlement and violence of toxic masculinity, they are simply exhibiting the same entitlement in a different way.

He is not part right. 90s feminism, like 60s, 70s, 80s feminism, is not to blame for misogyny from Matt Walsh, trans folk or anyone else.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 25/07/2023 23:21

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/07/2023 23:14

He is not part right. 90s feminism, like 60s, 70s, 80s feminism, is not to blame for misogyny from Matt Walsh, trans folk or anyone else.

I'm not "blaming" anyone. I'm explaining the mechanism by which trans ideology, inherently sexist, was able to take root in part because of a cultural reluctance to "reduce" women to their biology.

DarkDayforMN · 25/07/2023 23:26

Can we be sure of that?

Blanchard says so. (By contrast, he says the HSTS do go trans in those societies, because homophobia.) Can't spend time searching for the citation now but I'll come back and post it if I get a chance.

I don't know if he thinks there are fewer AGPs in those societies or if AGPs just don't go trans if it means their freedoms are restricted. I would think it has to be a mixture of both. There is clearly some social contagion with AGP men, albeit not as much as with teenage girls. And the resentment/envy of women that seems to be such a big component of it would probably not have the same potency in a society where women haven't made the same gains women in the West have.

DarkDayforMN · 25/07/2023 23:29

(But I'd be surprised if there wasn't some baseline amount of AGP even in Saudi Arabia. Womb envy probably exists everywhere!)

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/07/2023 23:31

Men will always find ways that their misogyny partly or wholly our fault. Feminists know better.

PorcelinaV · 25/07/2023 23:33

I'm not on Twitter so I can't read replies.

Is he getting much response from feminists over this?

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Clymene · 26/07/2023 00:06

I was going to say he's a douche but weapon is better.