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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Could you be 'de-banked' for being gender-critical?

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heckmuffin · 18/07/2023 18:24

I'm sure Nigel Farage has very few fans here. However, in the light of his bank, Coutts, closing his bank accounts due to his political beliefs, could this happen to gender-critical women too?

Farage has obtained documents from Coutts which make it clear that the bank gave him the boot because his views didn't align with their 'inclusive' purpose.

I wonder if GC women such as Posie Parker have had similar issues? Or if this is something that could happen? Believing in humans being a sexually dimorphic species is, as we all know, 'not inclusive'.

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NotTerfNorCis · 18/07/2023 20:53

He was 'debanked' because he didn't have enough money for Coutts. Nothing to do with politics. Otherwise why accept him in the first place? Farage's views have never been a secret.

AlisonDonut · 18/07/2023 20:56

Apollo441 · 18/07/2023 20:53

Coutts. They lied.

Yes I know.

Who in Coutts though?

AlisonDonut · 18/07/2023 20:56

NotTerfNorCis · 18/07/2023 20:53

He was 'debanked' because he didn't have enough money for Coutts. Nothing to do with politics. Otherwise why accept him in the first place? Farage's views have never been a secret.

Maybe read the actual thread?

Gracewithoutend · 18/07/2023 20:58

NotTerfNorCis · 18/07/2023 20:53

He was 'debanked' because he didn't have enough money for Coutts. Nothing to do with politics. Otherwise why accept him in the first place? Farage's views have never been a secret.

You haven't read the latest documents that Farage has obtained from the bank, then?

Coutts lied. It had nothing to do with money. They're quite clear it has to do with his opinions on a variety of issues.

ArabeIIaScott · 18/07/2023 21:05

I didn't realise that Coutts, as part of the NatWest Group, is owned in part by the UK government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NatWest_Group

NatWest Group - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NatWest_Group

finklestreet · 18/07/2023 21:06

ArabeIIaScott · 18/07/2023 21:05

I didn't realise that Coutts, as part of the NatWest Group, is owned in part by the UK government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NatWest_Group

Farage mentions that in his video today

Pixiedust1234 · 18/07/2023 21:11

It is a very scary time. Wasnt there a Free Speech group that got debanked by another bank recently? They hold too much power but I cant see politicians getting involved that much atm. They probably admired how the Canadian government screwed the truckers over through the banking system.

Q2C4 · 18/07/2023 21:17

heckmuffin · 18/07/2023 18:27

More info from Telegraph https://archive.ph/vE5Ua:

Nigel Farage’s bank accounts were closed down after Coutts decided his views “do not align with our values”, documents obtained by the former Ukip leader show.

A reputational risk committee “exited” him after considering a dossier detailing Mr Farage’s comments about Brexit, his friendship with Donald Trump and his views on LGBT rights among many reasons he was not “compatible with Coutts”.

Somewhat off topic but how did you get the archive link? Seems to bypass the paywall.

Gracewithoutend · 18/07/2023 21:21

Q2C4 · 18/07/2023 21:17

Somewhat off topic but how did you get the archive link? Seems to bypass the paywall.

These articles don't seem to be behind a payroll. I just read them on Google.

But if you open archive.ph and then paste in the article address, it will automatically take you to articles that are behind the payroll. They seem to get archived almost immediately.

Rightsraptor · 18/07/2023 21:21

There is a very chilling sentence in the article about 'inclusion champions' who are appointed to monitor the culture and behaviour in the workplace. The Stasi, then.

Many of us should be fearful. My bank, which is 100% wedded to LGBT+ everything to the point where I no longer use their bloody ATMs because of the 'progress pride' flag on every single screen, only needs to look at the charities and crowdfunders I support to know exactly how 'inclusive' I am.

We cannot function in the modern world without a bank account. It's the modern version of being banished. And those who were to be banished often preferred death.

Q2C4 · 18/07/2023 21:23

NotTerfNorCis · 18/07/2023 20:53

He was 'debanked' because he didn't have enough money for Coutts. Nothing to do with politics. Otherwise why accept him in the first place? Farage's views have never been a secret.

Not according to the article.

LadyBird1973 · 18/07/2023 21:32

This is very handmaids tale - control the population by removing their access to money. A bank account is a necessity, a human right in this society.

The fucking idiots who think this is a good thing because it's Farage, are one wrong think away from being on the other side of this themselves!

The government really cannot sit around doing nothing and must step in to outlaw banks from making moral judgments on its customers, whoever they are.

LakeTiticaca · 18/07/2023 21:45

I wonder if JK Rowlings bank will "de-bank" her

My guess is they won't..........

Gracewithoutend · 18/07/2023 22:50

LakeTiticaca · 18/07/2023 21:45

I wonder if JK Rowlings bank will "de-bank" her

My guess is they won't..........

Hmm, yes. I wonder if they have 800 million reasons why it's OK that she's "given publicly-stated views that are odds with their position as an inclusive organisation." 😁

AgathaSpencerGregson · 18/07/2023 22:58

I find this mad. What private bank decides it’s a good idea to police the beliefs of account holders and leak confidential info about them (if indeed the information about Farage’s financial status came from them)? Hey lads, let’s set fire to our business model today. Who does this??

ThisTimeIts · 18/07/2023 23:02

This changed who are the worst people in society - who can't be rehabilitated. It's no longer liars, thieves, murders and sex offenders, for they are able to retain a bank account.

eurochick · 18/07/2023 23:32

I find this concerning. We are moving towards a cashless society. An individual is pretty much unable to live easily without a bank account. No one should be refused an account because of their political beliefs.

NewNameNigel · 19/07/2023 01:07

Can I check I have understood this correctly.
A subject access request to the bank actually stated that the account was closed due to his beliefs rather than him not having enough money?

HirplesWithHaggis · 19/07/2023 01:12

Yes.

NewNameNigel · 19/07/2023 01:16

I hope for all of our sakes this is not true.

AlisonDonut · 19/07/2023 01:52

Which bit do you think is untrue?

LOSTAN · 19/07/2023 02:41

This sort of thing has been happening in communist China for the last 12 years or so. I travel the world for my job and can see what is happening elsewhere. (I almost wish I couldn't) and people in this country seriously need to wake up.
At the very least become aware of the utter TRIPE that the MSM spouts and consider the important stories that do not get given airtime or are brushed over... and that's just for starters.
The Country has become so insular - especially since Brexit.
There seems to be a terrible apathy and acceptance about everything that affects our freedom and people seem happy to give that freedom up. There are a few reasons for this of course.
I feel as though I'm living in a parallel universe and we are all sleepwalking into an utter calamity.

ManAboutTown · 19/07/2023 06:32

This whole thing is a disgrace - whatever you think of Farage he has not committed any crime I am aware of and not using the account to launder money.

There "moral" guardians (and Coutts is really NatWest in the end) need to be reined in by the government big time. This is not like BudLight - banking is an essential service

I note also that people who have been debanked are on the centre right - Farage, Wings Over Scotland, Free Speech Union. Doesn't seem to happen to the transfascists or the SWP

heckmuffin · 19/07/2023 06:48

This sort of thing has been happening in communist China for the last 12 years or so. I travel the world for my job and can see what is happening elsewhere. (I almost wish I couldn't) and people in this country seriously need to wake up.

Absolutely right, @LOSTAN It is terrifying.

I would love to see a Coutts client list. Are they happy to deal with dodgy oligarchs, wealthy sex offenders and gangsters? I bet they are.

Why do the banks seem to believe it is their role – and right – to punish customers for holding lawful and sometimes even widespread beliefs? Why are they keen to pursue this, even if it means losing customers?

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Boulshired · 19/07/2023 06:49

The power this could potentially have for future politics, forget lobbying parliament when you can lobby a bank to cut money at the source. It could override democracy.