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Investigation has discovered how we're STILL in the stranglehold of Stonewall

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IwantToRetire · 15/07/2023 00:41

Yes this is a DM article, but it looks like most of the material is based on information published by Sex Matters and others.

To this day, despite many serious questions raised about its conduct, Stonewall continues to dictate policy to many of the country's key taxpayer-funded organisations and to politicians themselves — as well as to the world of business. In some ways, it has never been more influential.

Never-before-seen documents and new statistics revealed today by the Mail following a series of Freedom of Information requests uncover the sheer scale and extent to which this unelected body is still shaping plans and strategy.

From the NHS to schools and universities, politics to business, Stonewall is raking in millions of pounds from its £3,000-a-year 'Diversity Champions' workplace programme — and its influence over our most important public and private institutions remains as strong as ever. Critics accuse those signed up as paying to be indoctrinated by pernicious gender ideology.

And nowhere more so, arguably, than in healthcare, where, courtesy of recent 'diversity programmes' and 'rainbow badge' schemes — like the one that Bath's NHS Trust fell victim to — Stonewall has strived to eliminate mentions of biological sex, which is a 'protected characteristic' under the 2010 Equality Act.

Strikingly, we have discovered, many NHS trusts have removed the word 'woman' from their websites and information materials — so as to not offend a tiny minority of trans people.

The BBC pulled out of Stonewall's Diversity Champions scheme in November 2021, admitting that its participation raised questions about whether it could be seen to be impartial when reporting on debates that affected the charity.
Yet only this week, senior broadcast journalist Cath Walton told the Mail that the BBC remains in a virtual stranglehold of Stonewall dogma.

This, she explains, was one of the reasons she quit the Corporation, unable to tolerate what she describes as 'gaslighting' about gender ideology.

'Stonewall don't need to be [at the BBC] any more because the Stonewall influence is well established in HR,' she told us.

'There are people in key positions that take the Stonewall position as fact. Once you've done something, it's hard to undo it. For example, if they withdrew the advice on pronouns now, there would be a huge stink.

'Stonewall is now embedded with members of staff who are fully aligned with Stonewall views, and it's definitely influencing the BBC editorially. In an editorial meeting, people would be too scared to raise a gender-critical story. If you did, you know you would have a mark on your head.'

There seems no end to the nationwide bodies to have fallen in almost total thrall to Stonewall.

This month, it was revealed that the majority of High Street banks are members of diversity schemes run by Stonewall.

HSBC, which allows customers to register as gender-neutral, is the top-ranking bank in Stonewall's annual Equality Index. Barclays and Nationwide are also among Stonewall's top 100 employers.

Last week, it was even reported that the Bank of England had introduced a 'family leave' policy that included the phrase 'birthing parent' rather than mother.

As well as banks, healthcare and the broadcast media, the charity holds growing sway in schools. In particular, it exerts considerable influence in 'Relationships and Sex Education' (RSE) lessons, which are obligatory for pupils from the age of seven.

'Stonewall has an annual budget of £8 million, which is incredibly small by corporate standards. But it controls the policies of organisations and companies worth billions. It is dictating to both public and private institutions. It is a tiny organisation, but it has an enormous footprint in terms of its control of what other organisations do and the fear that they feel if any of their employees say anything that disagrees with Stonewall's stance.

'In medieval times only the Church had this level of control.'

In the next part of our investigation, we will reveal how Stonewall has infiltrated every major political party, captured the civil service — and is hard at work lobbying ministers to introduce controversial new gender laws.

Bits I have picked out from a much longer article. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12300665/A-special-Mail-investigation-discovered-Stonewalls-stranglehold.html

Will be interesting to see what they say about political parties and Stonewall

Investigation shows how we're STILL in Stonewall's stranglehold 

Employees working for an NHS Trust in Bath, Somerset were said to have 'homophobic' or 'transphobic' views. But on closer inspection, these did not seem particularly egregious.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12300665/A-special-Mail-investigation-discovered-Stonewalls-stranglehold.html

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orangejuggling · 16/07/2023 14:04

In terms of the NHS, I don’t think it’s because of medics having a god-like complex - if anything I think clinicians are fairly sceptical. But HR, policy and digital teams are something else again. Senior management appear utterly bought in.

IwantToRetire · 16/07/2023 18:05

re bank account closure or refusal (sorry a bit of a derail but maybe not) after there was quite a bit in the newspapers some banking group said its not our fault, all of this is automated now.

ie (so maybe not a derail) AI or a badly desiged computer program is assessing bank accounts. But guess what? both computer programs and in fact AI are built on existing social "norms" and we know who dictates those.

Imagine a computer program (or even AI) that was based soley on the values and beliefs expresses on FWR.

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EmpressaurusOfCats · 16/07/2023 19:15

Naomi Cunningham of Sex Matters has just been posting about this on LinkedIn & credits MNers! https://www.linkedin.com/posts/naomi-cunningham-3332a716_s2-ep-2-an-interview-with-nancy-kelly-ceo-activity-7086369328257716224-Gnta

I wondered how many law firms and other organisations and institutions of the kind that mattered to lawyers were members of the Diversity Champions scheme. What I found surprised me. Not just dozens of law firms, but legal regulators, the CPS, the MOJ, every or almost every police force in the country - all were signed up to one or both schemes, anxiously tugging their forelocks to their Stonewall masters.

The result was this long read for the Legal Feminist blog ^lnkd.in/eB2CMaKD.^^ ^

By the time I'd published that, I was was so dismayed and angry about the number of public bodies in thrall to Stonewall that I dashed off another quick blog post encouraging Legal Feminists followers to submit FOIA requests to find out more about the extent of the organisation's influence in public life. I assumed a dozen or so people would pick it up, then I'd have a look and fire off a few more requests to mop up what seemed to me to be the most important ones.

But the campaign went viral on Mumsnet, and more than 900 requests were made on https://lnkd.in/eMS42mX5.^^ Many of the organisations that received them were evasive and relied on one excuse or another not to answer the questions - but many others answered candidly. Journalists noticed, and I started to get requests for a steer as to where - in what was by now a very substantial data dump - the "best" material was. I did my best to help where I could; and journalists got stuck in and did their own analysis of the material.

This wasn't a clever co-ordinated conspiracy. It was just an idea that went viral. It went viral because a lot of women are frightened and angry.

SUBMISSION AND COMPLIANCE: risks for Stonewall Champions -

Stonewall have signed up more than 850 companies, charities, government departments and public authorities to be "Stonewall Diversity Champions." Naomi Cunningham examines the risks for participating bodies.

https://lnkd.in/eB2CMaKD.

UtopiaPlanitia · 16/07/2023 20:06

EmpressaurusOfCats · 16/07/2023 19:15

Naomi Cunningham of Sex Matters has just been posting about this on LinkedIn & credits MNers! https://www.linkedin.com/posts/naomi-cunningham-3332a716_s2-ep-2-an-interview-with-nancy-kelly-ceo-activity-7086369328257716224-Gnta

I wondered how many law firms and other organisations and institutions of the kind that mattered to lawyers were members of the Diversity Champions scheme. What I found surprised me. Not just dozens of law firms, but legal regulators, the CPS, the MOJ, every or almost every police force in the country - all were signed up to one or both schemes, anxiously tugging their forelocks to their Stonewall masters.

The result was this long read for the Legal Feminist blog ^lnkd.in/eB2CMaKD.^^ ^

By the time I'd published that, I was was so dismayed and angry about the number of public bodies in thrall to Stonewall that I dashed off another quick blog post encouraging Legal Feminists followers to submit FOIA requests to find out more about the extent of the organisation's influence in public life. I assumed a dozen or so people would pick it up, then I'd have a look and fire off a few more requests to mop up what seemed to me to be the most important ones.

But the campaign went viral on Mumsnet, and more than 900 requests were made on https://lnkd.in/eMS42mX5.^^ Many of the organisations that received them were evasive and relied on one excuse or another not to answer the questions - but many others answered candidly. Journalists noticed, and I started to get requests for a steer as to where - in what was by now a very substantial data dump - the "best" material was. I did my best to help where I could; and journalists got stuck in and did their own analysis of the material.

This wasn't a clever co-ordinated conspiracy. It was just an idea that went viral. It went viral because a lot of women are frightened and angry.

That’s a very interesting article by NC - thanks for posting it here 👍

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2023 20:01

If the BBC hadn't been captured, this would be the type of investigation for an episode of Panorama. But we know that will never happen.

Today in a BBC radio 4 report about a Pride March for Ukrainians, to take place in Liverpool, someone was introduced as the BBC’s “LGBT & Identity” producer which I thought was rather extraordinary. What exactly does that “Identity” part mean?

You can see the title of the report and words, “LGBT & Identity” producer Joshua Parry, here:
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-66340307

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2023 20:03

Correction: LGBT and Identity Producer Josh Parry

IwantToRetire · 29/07/2023 22:02

LGBT and Identity Producer

I am sure there was a thread about this as it is a relatively new post.

But I cant find the thread.

Though one of the BBC's articles about Kishwer Falkner was by Josh LIP and someone started a thread about the biased reporting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4813375-bbc-news-app-kishwer-falkner-article-not-in-womens-rights

BBC news app Kishwer Falkner article not in Women’s Rights | Mumsnet

On the BBC app you can choose selections for easy access such as Technology, Health, Scotland, Women’s Rights, LGBT… The article on the complaints abo...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4813375-bbc-news-app-kishwer-falkner-article-not-in-womens-rights

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ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2023 22:11

IwantToRetire · Today 22:02
LGBT and Identity Producer

I am sure there was a thread about this as it is a relatively new post.

But I cant find the thread.

Though one of the BBC's articles about Kishwer Falkner was by Josh LIP and someone started a thread about the biased reporting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4813375-bbc-news-app-kishwer-falkner-article-not-in-womens-rights

That thread would be interesting if you do find it, Iwant

Thanks for the link to the other thread where the OP cites the bias of the BBC list of subjects including “LGBT & Identity” but not Women’s Rights/ Women.

Don’t you think it is odd to have an “Identity” producer. What identities has Josh Parry made productions of? Or is it only gender?

BBC news app Kishwer Falkner article not in Women’s Rights | Mumsnet

On the BBC app you can choose selections for easy access such as Technology, Health, Scotland, Women’s Rights, LGBT… The article on the complaints abo...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4813375-bbc-news-app-kishwer-falkner-article-not-in-womens-rights

IwantToRetire · 29/07/2023 22:30

Definitely odd. And that's why I am so sure there was a thread.

But have to say I have searched and cant find it. Maybe it got deleted or somethinge?

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MittensForKittens123 · 30/07/2023 10:42

The BBC policy document for ‘Parent Leave’ are actually worse than using birthing parent, it refers to ‘birth parent’. When trying to work out his paternity leave entitlement, my (well educated) husband kept on getting confused as to whether he was a birth parent or not. Obviously the original use of birth parent is biological parent, which he is, however the BBC document actually meant mother.

ScrollingLeaves · 30/07/2023 10:48

The BBC has given up on being leaders, for the benefit of the whole world, in how to use the English language.

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