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Investigation has discovered how we're STILL in the stranglehold of Stonewall

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IwantToRetire · 15/07/2023 00:41

Yes this is a DM article, but it looks like most of the material is based on information published by Sex Matters and others.

To this day, despite many serious questions raised about its conduct, Stonewall continues to dictate policy to many of the country's key taxpayer-funded organisations and to politicians themselves — as well as to the world of business. In some ways, it has never been more influential.

Never-before-seen documents and new statistics revealed today by the Mail following a series of Freedom of Information requests uncover the sheer scale and extent to which this unelected body is still shaping plans and strategy.

From the NHS to schools and universities, politics to business, Stonewall is raking in millions of pounds from its £3,000-a-year 'Diversity Champions' workplace programme — and its influence over our most important public and private institutions remains as strong as ever. Critics accuse those signed up as paying to be indoctrinated by pernicious gender ideology.

And nowhere more so, arguably, than in healthcare, where, courtesy of recent 'diversity programmes' and 'rainbow badge' schemes — like the one that Bath's NHS Trust fell victim to — Stonewall has strived to eliminate mentions of biological sex, which is a 'protected characteristic' under the 2010 Equality Act.

Strikingly, we have discovered, many NHS trusts have removed the word 'woman' from their websites and information materials — so as to not offend a tiny minority of trans people.

The BBC pulled out of Stonewall's Diversity Champions scheme in November 2021, admitting that its participation raised questions about whether it could be seen to be impartial when reporting on debates that affected the charity.
Yet only this week, senior broadcast journalist Cath Walton told the Mail that the BBC remains in a virtual stranglehold of Stonewall dogma.

This, she explains, was one of the reasons she quit the Corporation, unable to tolerate what she describes as 'gaslighting' about gender ideology.

'Stonewall don't need to be [at the BBC] any more because the Stonewall influence is well established in HR,' she told us.

'There are people in key positions that take the Stonewall position as fact. Once you've done something, it's hard to undo it. For example, if they withdrew the advice on pronouns now, there would be a huge stink.

'Stonewall is now embedded with members of staff who are fully aligned with Stonewall views, and it's definitely influencing the BBC editorially. In an editorial meeting, people would be too scared to raise a gender-critical story. If you did, you know you would have a mark on your head.'

There seems no end to the nationwide bodies to have fallen in almost total thrall to Stonewall.

This month, it was revealed that the majority of High Street banks are members of diversity schemes run by Stonewall.

HSBC, which allows customers to register as gender-neutral, is the top-ranking bank in Stonewall's annual Equality Index. Barclays and Nationwide are also among Stonewall's top 100 employers.

Last week, it was even reported that the Bank of England had introduced a 'family leave' policy that included the phrase 'birthing parent' rather than mother.

As well as banks, healthcare and the broadcast media, the charity holds growing sway in schools. In particular, it exerts considerable influence in 'Relationships and Sex Education' (RSE) lessons, which are obligatory for pupils from the age of seven.

'Stonewall has an annual budget of £8 million, which is incredibly small by corporate standards. But it controls the policies of organisations and companies worth billions. It is dictating to both public and private institutions. It is a tiny organisation, but it has an enormous footprint in terms of its control of what other organisations do and the fear that they feel if any of their employees say anything that disagrees with Stonewall's stance.

'In medieval times only the Church had this level of control.'

In the next part of our investigation, we will reveal how Stonewall has infiltrated every major political party, captured the civil service — and is hard at work lobbying ministers to introduce controversial new gender laws.

Bits I have picked out from a much longer article. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12300665/A-special-Mail-investigation-discovered-Stonewalls-stranglehold.html

Will be interesting to see what they say about political parties and Stonewall

Investigation shows how we're STILL in Stonewall's stranglehold 

Employees working for an NHS Trust in Bath, Somerset were said to have 'homophobic' or 'transphobic' views. But on closer inspection, these did not seem particularly egregious.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12300665/A-special-Mail-investigation-discovered-Stonewalls-stranglehold.html

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UtopiaPlanitia · 15/07/2023 01:06

It’s all fascinating in a chilling way; I don’t think charities espousing postmodern queer theory should have that outsize level of influence on the policies and services provided by our public sector organisations. Private sector organisations should not be ignoring their legally-required employment and discrimination duties in favour of sometimes unlawful lobbyist demands.

BoreOfWhabylon · 15/07/2023 04:01

The article is by Sanchez Manning, who has been writing well-researched articles on gender stuff for several years now. This is one of a series, apparently.

The more the link is clicked the more prominently it's displayed and the more people will see it, so I'd encourage clicking!

Igmum · 15/07/2023 04:50

Thanks for sharing OP. This isn't surprising but it is pretty horrific.

TheirEminence · 15/07/2023 05:56

Did Nancy Kelley (Stonewall CEO) know this series was about to be published and was this behind her decision to leave and when to announce it?

KiteofUncertainty · 15/07/2023 06:14

This is a good article. It's a lot clearer about the actual issue than many DM articles on this subject which can be sensationalist or miss the crucial point. Shame it's only the online edition. @BoreOfWhabylon So it makes sense that the author has been researching this for a long time.

zen1 · 15/07/2023 06:41

It’s all so sinister, I sometimes find it difficult to believe this is actually happening. Hospitals are awarded points for erasing terms like ‘Women’s Health’ on signage. Stonewall’s power is frightening.

PriOn1 · 15/07/2023 06:42

The article makes for depressing reading. No lobby group should have such a stranglehold. And of course Stonewall isn’t pushing equality and diversity, which presumably is what all those companies and bodies would say they are paying for. It’s remit isn’t about that. It’s very clear that its purpose is narrow and focused on one tiny minority at the expense of so many others.

I’m glad the Mail is onto it. Also glad to hear that, despite all management efforts, many NHS staff are quietly ignoring the demands and continuing to work as they always have, including courageous staff in Bath, Somerset:

Many reasons were given for this lamentably low score, among them: clinical staff at the Trust had failed to avoid using 'gendered language' such as 'mother', 'father' and 'husband'; the majority also failed 'routinely' to ask patients their sexual orientation or if they were transgender.”

I had hoped, when Stonewall was subjected to scrutiny before, that they would continue to fall, but obviously it wasn’t enough.

ResisterRex · 15/07/2023 07:20

There have to be links between this thread, and this one:

Civil Service Trans and intersex guide - write to your MP www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4849444-civil-service-trans-and-intersex-guide-write-to-your-mp

Now that their influence is embedded, things are going along as per Stonewall Law intended. Time to say a hard no.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/07/2023 08:28

One place we can start complaining about is schools. They are meant to be politically neutral and there should be no place for a group like Stonewall who openly campaign against the rights of girls and women.

dcbc1234 · 15/07/2023 08:39

Very helpful article. Have shared with friends I know already get it.

JacquelinePot · 15/07/2023 08:40

It's absolutely terrifying to think how much damage, in ALL areas of public life, this "charity" has wrought since 2015. It's completely unbelievable. I could never have imagined that we were ripe for such deep and broad corruption.

dcbc1234 · 15/07/2023 08:46

JacquelinePot · 15/07/2023 08:40

It's absolutely terrifying to think how much damage, in ALL areas of public life, this "charity" has wrought since 2015. It's completely unbelievable. I could never have imagined that we were ripe for such deep and broad corruption.

If everyone had been exposed to the 'free speech' philosophy, I had inculcated in me at school and university, I doubt this would have happened quite so easily.
I watched Sharon Davies's Book launch 'Unfair Play' on YouTube and her view was that you needed to 'follow the money'. I think it is more than the money though. It seems multi-stranded and does not have young people's best interests at heart. I wonder why that could be?

TheLadyInWestminsterAbbey · 15/07/2023 09:34

Here is the reply to an FOI about the failed application for Rainbow Badge status at the hospital in Bath that was quoted.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/982461/response/2335279/attach/4/Royal%20United%20Hospital%20Bath%20final%20Assessment%20report.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

So many horrid terfy staff. I wonder how the hospital plans to erase these attitudes in order to gain Rainbow Badge status when they reapply.

Investigation has discovered how we're STILL in the stranglehold of Stonewall
Investigation has discovered how we're STILL in the stranglehold of Stonewall
Investigation has discovered how we're STILL in the stranglehold of Stonewall
FrancescaContini · 15/07/2023 09:45

Is there a list anywhere of organisations, businesses and local authorities that HAVE stopped paying a small fortune (often using public money) to Stonewall? It’d be very interesting to see it.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2023 09:54

Stonewall has strived to eliminate mentions of biological sex, which is a 'protected characteristic' under the 2010 Equality Act.

Is biological sex a protected characteristic? The Government seems too weak to confirm that.

Froodwithatowel · 15/07/2023 10:01

'In medieval times only the Church had this level of control.'

Better put: not since medieval times has an organisation held this level of control over government and country and that was the Catholic Church.

This IS a religious empire. It has infiltrated because a lot of dozy well intentioned twits allowed it not wanting to not be naice, or were taken in by shiny lying marketing. It is now subverting democracy, law, parliament, policing and healthcare. It is the biggest safeguarding fail in history.

Ffs Downing Street get off your bloody bums and do something.

Imnobody4 · 15/07/2023 10:59

I suspect this is a factor in Nancy Kelley leaving. It will be a hard post to fill. Am I being too optimistic to hope this is the beginning of the end for Stonewall?

ThisTimeIts · 15/07/2023 11:52

This IS a religious empire.

Yes this is like the Prositant takeover of the secular institutions when their witch trials occured, Henry VIII stole buildings and lands.

Anyone they did not believe was really a believer was punished, for example targeting Jews in mainland Europe, they allowed many starve to death unless they changed religion in Ireland.

It has infiltrated because a lot of dozy well intentioned twits allowed it not wanting to not be naice, or were taken in by shiny lying marketing. It is now subverting democracy, law, parliament, policing and healthcare. It is the biggest safeguarding fail in history.

This, only they are not twits, they are extremely selfish.

BoreOfWhabylon · 15/07/2023 12:23

@TheLadyInWestminsterAbbey Good grief, that report!
Well done to the terfy staff, whose responses were so "offensive" as to require a trigger warning.

The amount of money and time wasted on this is appalling.

dcbc1234 · 15/07/2023 14:14

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2023 09:54

Stonewall has strived to eliminate mentions of biological sex, which is a 'protected characteristic' under the 2010 Equality Act.

Is biological sex a protected characteristic? The Government seems too weak to confirm that.

SEX is a protected characteristic and everyone knows biological sex is what it meant in all legislation which has used it as a term over the years,
Certain 'diversity people' have chosen to deliberately misrepresent the position in recent years and I suppose you could argue that 'follow the money' works for the legal profession. Even the good guys are enriching themselves arguing against 'black being white'. I have total contempt for the politicians' failures to stand by existing laws though.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2023 14:22

Yes. I hope you realise I was being sarcastic given the Government has refused to clarify that sex in the Equality Act means biological sex.

Whatwouldscullydo · 15/07/2023 14:55

I think this will disturb alot of people. When victims if crime cant get a cop round, when elderly people with no transport have no local bank with actual people to help them, when those in direct need of medical appointments /care/surgeries etc have waited so long etc etc etc all due to staff cuts and lack of funding , only to discover that there's money and time to sign up to SW and read/fill out multiple pages instructing them on how to shit on every protected characteristics besides gender reassignment. How are people meant to feel about that.

FrancescaContini · 15/07/2023 14:57

Kudos to Cath Walton for acting on her principles and for speaking out about the extent to which Stonewall is entrenched at our public service broadcaster.

flyingbuttress43 · 15/07/2023 15:01

I have this dream that one day a really big company or bank with a high public profile will come out and say that they are proud not to subscribe to gender ideology, pronouns, destruction of the English language etc. I wonder what the response would be from Joe public. I know I would patronise them immediately.

FFS when is Stonewall going to be seriously investigated and brought down as the money-making racket it is.

Whatwouldscullydo · 15/07/2023 15:11

flyingbuttress43 · 15/07/2023 15:01

I have this dream that one day a really big company or bank with a high public profile will come out and say that they are proud not to subscribe to gender ideology, pronouns, destruction of the English language etc. I wonder what the response would be from Joe public. I know I would patronise them immediately.

FFS when is Stonewall going to be seriously investigated and brought down as the money-making racket it is.

I just long for the day that regs come out stating that businesses are to remain neutral. That they are to sell their product/service and be done with it.

When you are a company that deals with the public then you do so knowing full well that you are gonna serve people with a wide range of views/beliefs. And they are entitled to hold them. I'm sure I've served many a " phobe" of some sort. But provided they are polite to staff or simply don't speak to us, treat the premises with enough respect to not trash it or smash it etc and dont physically or verbally abuse staff and other customers then that's all you can ask for surely? Someone who quietly goes about their day who behaves and doesn't abuse people just simply doesn't believe in X Y Z has as much right to be made tp feel welcome/be able to use the service as anyone else surely ?

Just as drs dont get to refuse to provide emergency medical care for prisoners/criminals etc

Just serve your customers sell your shit and be done with it.