Daily Mail Article on Susie Green with comments from former mermaids staff

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12276791/Did-raising-trans-child-lead-Mermaids-founder-youngsters-health-risk.html

The article describes SG as 'controversial' and LGBA as a gay rights pressure group. The Overton window is moving

Did they mention she had her son castrated as a child in Thailand?

Sod it, I'll click. Must try not to get stuck reading the comments for half an hour though!

My two pennies worth is that she has always been a full on wing nut

Do they have some sort of deal with Adidas?

Jackie is wearing a Run DMC t-shirt. Footballers with Adidas are often seen wearing them due to the group's long connection with the firm

Has her husband ever commented publicly? It's a shame they don't emphasise more that homophobia and a rejecting reaction to his playing with feminine toys at a very young age that drove the whole thing and link that to the findings about the tavistock.

Jackie's body language in that photo tells a rather different story than the quote from them.

I’m really not convinced about that narrative, especially as the other children seem to have a good relationship with their father and not so much with their mother.

I wouldn’t be surprised if SG ‘realised’ that Jackie's true nature even before Jackie did, and pursued that route to notoriety relentlessly ( in the true sense of the word).

It's often said that it only takes one person in an organisation with a trans child to inform all policy, and you cannot have a reasonable conversation with that person.... And at the top of that pyramid is susie green.

She has pushed and pushed and pushed to validate what she did to her child. If she stops for a second that might mean what she did was wrong...... So she keeps going, and has collected all these other parents in her wake who obviously think they are doing amazing, saintly stuff.

Why couldn't their little boy just play with Barbies? It's actually quite heartbreaking listening to her tell the story - not for the reasons she thinks, though.

What kind of a family therapist did they go to? Why didn't that therapist just say, let your kid play with barbies!!??

And she kept going on and on about suicide, WHY hasn't a therapist, or pschyciatrist, or SOMEONE taken her to one side and explained how utterly hazardous that whole narrative is? The number of intelligent people who repeat that offensive lie is astounding to me.....

Was Jackie the youngest child like Jazz Allthegoodnames? Marriage falling apart and last baby would be interesting.

It's often said that it only takes one person in an organisation with a trans child to inform all policy, and you cannot have a reasonable conversation with that person.... And at the top of that pyramid is susie green.

yes yes Rabbit woman! Witness also Joanne harris as chair of society of authors. Atrocious & appalling behaviour towards GC authors. Harris also has a trans child.

By then, Zoe Mason had been aware of Green's links to the Tavistock for some time. Despite enjoying her first few months working at Mermaids, she told the Mail that she — and several other members of the 30-plus staff — felt betrayed when rumours started that Susie was referring children to GIDS.

'Some staff were very angry because it made us look dishonest,' she says. 'It went against everything we were saying as a charity. We had volunteers on our phonelines saying, 'It's not for us to tell you what route to take' and there were words on the Mermaids website saying, "We don't get involved in medical pathways" and that's honestly what we all believed.'

I don't believe 'Zoe Mason'.

She started working for Mermaids in 2019 when they had a link to GenderGP on their site, were giving all sorts of medical advice on their forums and had HW attending residentials but the staff were concerned about SGs relationship with the Tavistock?

Whether true or not people dashing to distance themselves from this is a good sign.

'Overall, I thought she was that most dangerous thing, a person utterly certain of their own rightness,' he said (comment by Nick Scott)

I agree with Nick.

What gets me is the mail is openly questioning whether Susie Green is personally responsible for harm caused to children who used Mermaids.

Think about that.

This still got published.

Also the quote from Jackie interested me:
Speaking about the experience afterwards, Jackie said: 'My mum's gone through all of this with me and I know people judge her and think she's done the wrong thing. But I just couldn't wait for it to happen. She and my dad have been brilliant. When they came to terms with the situation they helped me so much. I owe them my life.'

'Think of all the things my mum has gone through' comes before comment about themselves.

'Came to terms with the situation' not accepted my identity is an interesting phrasing too. It dodges the elephant in the room.

'I owe them my life' - indebted feeling towards parents begs the question of who is leading who or whether Jackie is somehow hostage 'to the situation'.

Yes RTB - it felt very much like Jazz's set script.

And as with Jazz the body language tells a whole different story.

Absolutely.

People rewriting history, editing social media, covering their arses... They only do that when they see Nemesis hoving into view.

Exactly Chers. The whole house of cards is wobbling like crazy. Once people got the green light to dissent from the, 'no debate' diktat as a result of a few crowd sourced court cases all bets were off.

I think what's really sad is that many TW who have gone through all the surgery still look like men. I don't want to say anything about specific individuals because their mental wellbeing is at risk or they would have been able to accept reality but it's so very clear that you can't turn a man into a woman.

I think SG did do what she thought was best. I truly do. But she was completely wrong in every single thing she did related to gender. I think she must be pretty old fashioned herself as regards gender roles, not just her husband. She's not able to understand science and evidence bases. I guess when you get someone who is a good self promoter, stuck in a very bygone era re: men and women, does not understand science, has a gay son and put them in a culture which has shut down all critical thinking and is looking to pretend to be following an equality agenda whilst really strongly protecting a male power base, this was bound to happen.

My sister actually contacted Mermaids because my nephew loved to dress up in dresses and make a grand entrance down the stairs at family occasions etc when he was little. To me it was clear that he most probably was going to be gay - I have pretty good radar but I also left room for the idea he wasn't and just going through a phase that is perfectly ok for boys who will grow up to be straight to go through too.

She had bought into the trans mythology at that point and I was terrified. She was very churchy at the time and I had to lead with phases and normal and how dresses and make up were more fun and playful than boys clothes hence lots of little boys go through stages of wanting their nails painted like mummy etc rather than homosexuality and I suspected homophobia was driving her whether consciously or not. This would have been late 90s and part of why I was attuned to what was going on so early on. I advocated massively but carefully for him to be left the fuck alone to grow up as whatever he grew up to be.

Unsurprisingly he is now a happy young bisexual man (though all of his emotional relationships have been with men and it's just been a stage of having sex with girls and attraction only rather than intimacy if that makes sense?) and is about to move in with his partner.

I waited patiently for him to realise and come out so as not to interfere but made clear I was supportive of homosexuality in family debates etc and when he was subjected to a hideous homophobic session at a church youth group as a teenager where some of the boys said it was worse to be gay than to be a rapist and the leaders didn't even challenge them I strongly objected to that and how disgusting and morally wrong and irresponsible it was and got thrown out of my sister's house in the rain with my toddler as a result!

I never even bothered coming out to my family and just let it become obvious I was bisexual over time as it would have been a complete waste of time and just plain painful and disappointing.

I really think where it's parents transing their children the lions share are homophobic, have munchausens by proxy or both.

I'm actually only now beginning to really process the impact my family's homophobia and Catholicism impacted my life and how it impacted my ability to go with my sexuality fully now in my late 40's. I wonder how authentic my relationships with men really were and as I got older I couldn't really stand being with men and living in an area from late 20s onwards with zero lesbian scene (unlike living in London and Brighton previously) that sort of cut off that side of things. I've spent the vast majority of my life single other than short lived relationships with men that I found suffocating and 'wrong' and have raised my son completely solo.

I suspect in a different childhood environment I would have just accepted that I was a lesbian, come out and not put myself through the misery of trying to make heterosexual relationships work. Probably why I was so protective of my nephew.

Homophobia and the rejection and suppression of any signs of it in children has not gone away and trans seems to be the ultimate conversion therapy and means of denying reality now. Thank god I didn't have that in the mix too.

It feels like it's too late for me but it's heartbreaking to see what's happening to young people. I'm not flush by any means but I contributed to LGB Alliance from day one and am always cheering them on but feel ashamed to attend anything.

Apologies for turning this thread into some kind of confessional! This whole issue is so fucked up. So many of us can see we would have been at risk from this ideology because of being gay or gender non conforming or depressed or autistic or sexually abused or otherwise traumatised etc if it had been prevalent when we were children and it can be quite triggering.

This is an excellent article.
Green is going to be livid that the truth is out there for all to see.

Oh dear. This is why I stopped posting on this board. I end up sharing too much and then feeling mortified. Might request post deletions.

@swallowedAfly I appreciated your insightful posts and I expect many others will too. Please don't feel that you overshared, this is an anonymous forum. If we can't share our truth here, where can we share?

I think voices like yours are really important in this discussion and I'm really glad you posted.

Thank you. I had a bit of a... connect the dots moment and realising that part of my outrage and sadness and whatever else I feel about all this is rooted in my own youth and family dynamics. I would be purely intellectually and ethically against it anyway but I just connected that it is also triggering (sorry to use that word that has been so utterly co-opted and overused by many) and connected to traumas in my own childhood and that one of those traumas was around my sexuality.

Need to do some unpacking but this isn't the place really.