Men aren't stronger and faster than women

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Gender critical people are stopping women from succeeding in sport by reinforcing the sexist stereotype that women and girls are slower and weaker than men. Apparently.
I know the Guardian are very biased on Trans issues. But this article has really shocked me. How can they publish something like this and still call themselves a quality newspaper? Or even a "news"paper?
Favourite quote: "Their strategy also tries to limit our athletic success and opportunities by reinforcing sexist notions of cisgender girls and women as the “weaker, slower sex”. This cisgender men began segregating sports by sex initially."

Now more than ever, cis female athletes must show solidarity with trans athletes (msn.com)

I wouldn't even give it space by clicking the link. It's so wrong to not acknowledge biological differences. If it's not true, then world records for men and women in swimming and athletics would be the same. These are sports that can be compared without both sexes in the same league.

And yet bizarrely, since records began, the fastest runners out of all humans have always been male. The humans who can lift the biggest weights have all been male. The fastest swimmers of all the swimmers, male. Throwers who can throw the furthest, male.

If only we'd told girls they could outrun Usain Bolt if they believed in themselves enough. That's where we went wrong.

TBH I think once the money for female sports reached decent levels, it was inevitable that male athletes would try and cheat their way in.

Bloody hell, that's so wrong in so many aspects I don't know where to start. Women's sport was not segregated from men because men wanted to reinforce that women were weaker. Women's sports essentially didn't exist until women pushed and pushed to be allowed to participate.

This is Vice news not the guardian?
Vice news is a propaganda outlet designed to appeal to the young, nothing about it is genuine.
(You could say the same for the guardian sadly, but it was not always like that).

It is in the Guardian online published today. I'm guessing the OP saw it via the Microsoft news scrape that they push onto the taskbar in windows and linked it from there.

I liked the rather dry quote from someone from World Athletics (from when they were tightening up DSD regulations).

‘World Athletics has in fact done a longitudinal study comparing performance of biologically female and biologically male athletes, which we call the world records’

Have those people never done any sport? Watched a parkrun, Olympics etc?

Sadly I know a man who seems sensible and is a retired science teacher but who firmly believes what the Guardian tell him about gender crap.

I'm not clicking on the link, sorry OP.

The article is mainly about the threat (sexual violence, harassment, violence etc) that men pose to female athletes, as girls and women. It then asserts that trans people are not an issue in this way in sport because they are not "cis" men and that there also very few of them. The issue of performance is almost a side note in the article, which also repeats the trope that trans identified people are banned from sport rather than simply required to compete in the category that matches their sex.

The article is hard to parse due to the constant use of "cisgender male" or "cisgender female" when the author is trying to avoid saying men/women.

Bullshit spun purely to enable MRA.

In other news, water isn't wet if it being dry means a man can do what he wants to others without feeling too bad about it.

But, but.. how are men a threat to women when they are literally no stronger or faster?
Surely all a woman has to do is fight back right? I mean its a fair fight afterall?

The logical conclusion of this line of thinking is that men haven't dominated women for millennia in the political, financial and social spheres by use of the threat of their greater physical strength but because men are just dazzlingly brilliant and women are just a bit shit.

Exactly. Adding insult to injury by not acknowledging or honouring the women athletes who fought for and won women's categories in sport.

I am heavily involved in the running of my local rowing club. British Rowing, the sports governing body, took the weaselly decision a few years back to adopt the 'reduced testosterone' policy and allowing trans women to compete against biological women. Over half the clubs membership are women and needless to say they were pretty gobsmacked at the decision and have been raising their concerns to British Rowing who at last, finally, seem to be listening and will hopefully be changing their policy. Unfortunately I still get into quite a few arguments with absolute loons who are not involved in sports who still think feelings and inclusivity trump fairness in sports. Out of all sports rowing is the one where a transwoman can capitalise on their physical advantages to the max (Taller, broader, bigger cardio system, more muscle mass, more twitch fibres, larger air intake etc). It is insane it is even a discussion. WHile I dont lose my shit often I have zero tolerance to fuckwits preaching woo science or twats claiming that the 'there still needs to be research into the topic before we can arrive at any full conclusions'. No we don't. the science is done, there is absolute bombproof evidence that transwomen competing in women's sports is at best grossly unfair and at worse incredibly dangerous.

Apparently so. "...former Division I swimmer, former club swim coach, and current historian and activist".

Yet she seems to have learned nothing from this, except that "cis" men in sports can be abusive to women.

This is a good quote, that I don't think needs any further comment from me...

"Transgender athletes are not sexually endangering us in the locker room. Rather, it was cisgender reporters who spied on trans female swimmer Lia Thomas, behaving as Peeping Toms per sports journalist Karleigh Chardonnay Webb. One teammate anonymously shared Thomas’s locker room habits with the Daily Mail. Their obsession with Thomas’s body betrayed a horrific exoticization of trans people’s bodies. Talk about possible sexual harassment and trauma."

I've not clicked the link... so, is their idea that actually humans aren't a dimorphic species with physical abilities which fall into a bimodal distribution (with some overlap but not at the top end) ... and that actually the perceived, recorded differences are all in our pretty little heads?

Yes, that's about it. And all because the author once was able to beat a few men at distance butterfly swimming.

I think the discussions is quite sensible in that the participants very correctly grasp that the best way to make the case for TW's inclusion in female sports is to avoid all of the real substance and issues entirely, to dance round the proper issues whilst [not unreasonably] emphasising the discrimination and demonisation that TW face outside of sports etc.

Is this more 'women need to try harder' bullshit?

You’ve encapsulated MRA thinking right there.

I know the Guardian are very biased on Trans issues. But this article has really shocked me. How can they publish something like this and still call themselves a quality newspaper? Or even a "news"paper?

Maybe they mean it as a kind of "that's fucking news to me" way.

Vice news went woke and are now broke.

They used to do interesting stuff, their war coverage was acclaimed, but then they became obsessed with identity politics, and Ben Hunte (the BBC LGBT correspondent, a position demanded by Stonewall) went there with his propaganda.

Here are some exciting statistics comparing female Olympians to high school boys.

boysvswomen.com/

Just the first stat on the page for you (it's full of them)

100m
2016 High School Boys NBNO Finalists vs 2016 Olympic Women's Finalists

None of the women's finals performances met the qualifying time to enter the boys' competition.
0 of the 8 women would have qualified to enter the boys' event if based solely on this performance. (A result better than 10.70 was required to qualify.)

Brilliant! 😄

So why aren’t women able to easily fend off men trying to beat them up? 🤔 do they just not try hard enough
what bullshit