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Domestic abuse according to the CPS includes...

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DerekFaker · 07/07/2023 08:03

Misgendering and dead naming.

Some of these things sound horrendous and fair enough to include them.

But really??? This is surely compelled speech.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/domestic-abuse

Domestic abuse according to the CPS includes...
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RhymingGuitars · 07/07/2023 10:40

I looked into giving feedback as local guidance has no place in national/gov.uk guidance (I used to manage a large team of Civil Service guidance writers so know what the guidelines/standards are).

However, the feedback firm wants my name, address and date of birth which is somewhat invasive for a guidance feedback query. Also rather amusingly, it won't let me progress if I don't add a title - I don't use a title. You can tick other but there isn't a box for no title.

Share the link to the feedback form here and get strength in numbers.

Thelnebriati · 07/07/2023 11:17

The link is at the bottom of the page, they ask you to read the guidance first before you complain.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/feedback-and-complaints

Feedback and complaints | The Crown Prosecution Service

https://www.cps.gov.uk/feedback-and-complaints

Thelnebriati · 07/07/2023 11:20

I can't tell you how angry and upset this has made me, my ex used to pressure me to lend him increasing sums of money and take out loans. He carried on doing that for over a decade after we split. He did it while I was very ill, he did it when he knew I had been awarded high rate DLA and mobility.

Sunnava · 07/07/2023 11:58

“the interconnected nature of social categorisations including, but not limited to, race, class, caste, gender, ethnicity, sexuality, disability, nationality, immigration status, geographical location and religion can create interdependent systems of discrimination and disadvantage”

^^ but not sex, I see.

Thelnebriati · 07/07/2023 12:02

Its casting women as the abusers. Women, the ones who are left paying the bills and feeding the kids.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2023 12:06

This is also the CPS. Understanding for creeps who commit the gateway crime of stealing women's knickers from their washing lines. Total capture.

twitter.com/varindeus/status/1676919199799681025?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2023 12:08

Apparently this is a "queer experience" the CPS need to bear in mind when prosecuting "LGBTQ hate crimes"

Thelnebriati · 07/07/2023 12:09

Fucks sakes.

BiologicalKitty · 07/07/2023 12:25

I wonder if TransWidows knows about this? Absolutely vile DARVO and completely minimising the actual DV often experienced by women in relationships.

OvaHere · 07/07/2023 12:46

Thelnebriati · 07/07/2023 12:02

Its casting women as the abusers. Women, the ones who are left paying the bills and feeding the kids.

It's exactly this.

Hardly unexpected though. Everything about this movement is a DARVO, gaslighting MRA dream come true.

Maddy70 · 07/07/2023 12:46

DerekFaker · 07/07/2023 08:09

I can totally see some of these being misued by an abusive husband to attack their wife.

Me too.

Igmum · 07/07/2023 13:03

This is appalling. The CPS is literally rewriting the law to allow men to attack women with impunity (even more than they do already)

NotNowFGS · 07/07/2023 13:23

Where is the evidence for any of this absolute hokum?

AlisonDonut · 07/07/2023 13:26

NotNowFGS · 07/07/2023 13:23

Where is the evidence for any of this absolute hokum?

You don't need evidence when Sophie writes your policy.

happydappy2 · 07/07/2023 13:27

Sophie needs to challenged on this dubious guidance....so clearly one sided in favour of the adult male late transitioner. This cannot stand-surely not.

DerekFaker · 07/07/2023 13:34

Twitter thread about Sophie Cook and the Labour party. I've screen shotted an extract.

https://twitter.com/TheMoominmama/status/1531963942544846850?t=H167Tlwogph76f3CWMTjag&s=19

Domestic abuse according to the CPS includes...
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Clymene · 07/07/2023 13:38

Sophie Cook as employed by the CPS last year in a money-for-old-rope role.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/sophie-cook-the-cps-and-speaking

SerafinasGoose · 07/07/2023 13:53

PuttingDownRoots · 07/07/2023 08:17

Looks well intentioned... but completely misses the point.

And makes clearer why being able to walk away from relationships (aka the spousal "veto") is so important.

The very term 'veto' infuriates me, implying as it does a form of controlling behaviour on the part of the spouse who couldn't stop the transition if they wanted to. By the same token, it's apparently fine to recategorize a heterosexual woman into a lesbian if it fits a man's ideas of himself. Validation above all, no matter what effects it has on any children, has been a recurring news theme this week.

Any woman has an absolute right to decide she didn't enter the marriage on these terms and is therefore not prepared to continue it. This doesn't need permission. One party in any marriage can end it for whatever reason they choose.

The gaslighting and DARVO here truly is being refined into a fine art.

JacquelinePot · 07/07/2023 13:56

I'm inclined to give this the least charitable reading possible. If social shaming isn't a powerful enough tool against transwidows, now there are legal powers? Except, it's not law, but guidance? How does that work?

BCBird · 07/07/2023 13:56

People are frightened to say anything fir fear of being called transphobic. Want to live in a vacuum of like- minded people

Clymene · 07/07/2023 13:59

This is the job description for a role with a FTE salary of around £150k

www.diversitylink.co.uk/diversity-equality-jobs-speak-out-champion-job40649

The only background Cook has in diversity is in their previous role at a tiny football club called Whitehawk FC. Cook was a photographer before that running up nearly £100k of debt before going bankrupt.

No HR experience, no degree, no relevant skills and experience. In fact the only things Cook appears to bring to the role is transitioning at the age of 48.

And we're paying hi, 👍

Ofcourseshecan · 07/07/2023 14:02

To summarise this advice, as married transitioners are usually men: “Shut up women, obey your husbands, and agree with whatever they tell you.”

Back to the Middle Ages.

Imnobody4 · 07/07/2023 14:04

Fair Cop have tweeted:

We will be writing to @MaxHillKC to raises this and a number of other very serious issues, asking for reassurance that @CPSUK is an impartial prosecuting authority. We will then consider our legal options and the issue of standing for judicial review.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/07/2023 14:05

Imnobody4 · 07/07/2023 14:04

Fair Cop have tweeted:

We will be writing to @MaxHillKC to raises this and a number of other very serious issues, asking for reassurance that @CPSUK is an impartial prosecuting authority. We will then consider our legal options and the issue of standing for judicial review.

Was just coming on to post this:

https://twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1677202046418575360

Thank heavens for these organisations with courage & some funding who are prepared to take on these creeps who are using our institutions for their own ends.

https://twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1677202046418575360

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