The legal basis on which Mermaids was said not to have status to challenge the registration of LGB Alliance as a charity

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I was astonished that in fact the ruling was about whether Mermaids could challege LGBA from registering, and on reading the judgement it implies others might have grounds to do this.

... in order for Mermaids to be a person affected by the decision, the Commission’s decision itself must relate to Mermaids in some way. The decision under appeal in this case does not relate to Mermaids, it is not about Mermaids nor its work. The decision is about LGBA and although Mermaids was interested in the outcome of the registration process, ... , such an interest or even engagement in the process does not vest Mermaids with a right to challenge the decision. The extent of Mermaids’ engagement in the Commission’s decision-making process is not relevant to the question of whether they are or may be affected by the decision.

It is very clear to us that Mermaids profoundly disagrees with the Commission’s Decision emotionally, politically and intellectually. We acknowledge that this disagreement is sincere, as are the concerns that have been voiced before us. Furthermore, it is apparent to us that many of those that support the work of Mermaids or those it supports also strongly disagree with the Decision. As noted by the Commission, they may well have had valid cause for complaint as to what LGBA and its activists have said in the past. However, applying the facts to the actual legal issue before us, the fact that Mermaids and those they support have been affected emotionally and/or socially is insufficient to provide them with standing to bring this appeal, no matter the depth of the feelings resulting from the Decision or the strength of their disagreement.

For these reasons we conclude that Mermaids is not a person who is or may be affected by the Decision and accordingly we dismiss the appeal

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Mermaids-v-Charity-Commission-judgment-060723.pdf

Statement from LGB Alliance https://lgballiance.org.uk/historic-win-for-lgb-alliance/

Statement from Charity Commissioner https://www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-responds-to-mermaidslgb-alliance-tribunal-verdict (which has its own thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4843004-charity-commission-statement-re-tribunal-judgement-on-lgb-alliance)

The Guardian's coverage was quite sympathetic to the LGBA: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/jul/06/mermaids-v-lgb-alliance-whos-involved-in-tribunal-ruling?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Merlin. You have proved you don't actually know what you mean by gay or lesbian. You simply use it to mean 'a person i disagree with due to their identity'. So you pretending Bev etc are straight just makes you look unhinged.

I think raising awareness of the sheer scale of homophobia people are still fighting is their biggest impact so far. In the other thread we saw Christine Burns explicitly say that the intention is to "run them ragged".

Just a reminder to those newer to this that everytime LGBA have got grant funding to do something eg the film they got funding for, the helpline, TRA have piled in screaming transphobia and intimidated grant making bodies into rescinding the offer.

Plus of course most grant making charities have already been stonewalled to the hilt.

and that’s before we even get to the court case, and the time & money spent on that which the extremely well funded & well staffed Mermaids could afford to spend & which the LGBA could not and had to crowd fund

and then ppl like Merlin turn up here complaining that LGBA aren’t running any services….

Remind me again which percentage of the Stonewall are LGBT again?

I swear i can hear straws being clutched! It’s a desperate, scrabbling sound of the confused.

How many times have we told Merlin that the 7% figure is completely misleading? It comes from a flawed tick box exercise and a proper survey of members showed something like 90% or more L,G or B. Merlin knows all this but still hopes to pull the wool over people’s eyes.

Remind me again what percentage of Mermaids trustees were pro-pedophillia?

Remind me again what percentage of Stonewall CEOs called same sex attracted women "sexual racists".

The gender woowoo is a busted flush. Every court case lost is another nail in the coffin of this intellectually corrupt religion of fanatics being flushed down the toilet.

They oppose conversion of gay people to trans and the harm it causes.

They oppose the homophobic way in which lesbians are being gaslight and abused for not accepting lady penises into their dating pool

They support gay, lesbian and bisexual people who have been rejected from jobs, political parties or representing others on the basis of being 'the wrong sort of gay' who indulged in 'wrongthink' because they believe sex matters and shouldn't be replaced by identity

The support single sex dating/venues where appropriate to stop the harassment of homosexuals.

The reject gender replacing sex in definitions because of the impact on homosexuals.

They support detransitioners who are gay who all the other LGBT charities shun and look at with contempt for 'making poor choices which undermine the rights and make it harder for of genuine trans people' as if they are some sort of traitor to the LGBT community.

Can you explain to me why these problems/ people facing these problems are not worthy of a charity to represent their interests?

https://lgballiance.org.uk/major-victory-for-lgb-people-secured-by-lgb-alliance/

Perhaps if the Arts Council hadn’t been discriminatory they could have made their film too. Instead ACE pulled the funding and discriminated unlawfully against a gender critical employee.

And you want us to believe LGBA are the bad guys?

Not Mermaids who are under a statutory inquiry by the Charity Commission for governance failures including a paedophile apologist trustee and an employee posting porn - this is a charity for vulnerable children we are talking about.

We see you.

Now you've been told what the LGBA does, you can tell us what Mermaids has done to benefit young people.

That would be lobby the Tavistock to give them drugs and surgery bypassing counselling and other safeguarding - only for the Tavi to be found to be acting in a way which is potentially homophobic, missing potential trauma and sexual abuse, not considering parents placing undue pressure on minors, not properly getting informed consent, not explaining the degree to which it's an experimental treatment and not exploring how it may not give the benefits suggested. Whilst demonising anyone who raises concerns about this or detransitions.

That would be giving out binders to minors without parental consent despite warnings of how harmful they can be.

That would be telling minors to keep secrets from parents and to talk to strangers online without thought as to how that might not align with safeguarding principles.

You know like actual promotion of harm or risky behaviours to children that are discouraged in every other setting.

I could continue. But I won't.

That’s a good balanced article

I remember seeing Amelia Gentleman signed into the tribunal

sunlight. Once you see it you can’t unsee it

Useful thread by Michael Foran (its also been archived in case its removed;

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1676977835448172544.html

Particularly the LGB ones who are exclusively same sex attracted.

Are they supported and their identities validated or are they re educated to fit the needs of TQ+ young people? How many detransition in the discovery that they were actually just LGB and not T? And how many lose their health, body parts, reproductive capacity, potential for a fully mature adult brain and a capacity for a full adult sex life on the way?

But we're not allowed to talk about any of that, are we? Because those issues don't affect the young people you actually feel matter and should have an entirely different and elevated standard of prioritisation at the expense of others, as opposed to all young people as a whole, with equality of care, standards and thinking, and all of the mattering as much.

Remind me blah blah
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Gish Gallop FLip Flop [insert whatever sealion noise is in your head]

What did the Romans ever do for us?

Oh the narc rage tears are so delicious!

Here's the actual makeup of LGBA.

Here's the actual makeup of LGBA

Isn't that just the makeup of its registered members or active supporters?

Presumably a charity whose purpose is to help LGB people can help LGB people and advance LGB rights regardless of whether the individual people who benefit from its work have registered for membership with them or actively contribute to their campaigns?

You don't need to have the characteristic of the group you're helping to manage a charity - a charity that supports people in comas isn't run solely by people in comas and most of the donations will also come from people who aren't in comas.

You don't need to have the characteristic of the group you're helping to manage a charity - a charity that supports people in comas isn't run solely by people in comas and most of the donations will also come from people who aren't in comas.

This is so funny 😂

The T is homophobic and LGB alliance fights homophobia. Abusing them as much as you are does nothing but out you as a homophobe.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/top-100-employers/full-list

Here's Stonewalls members. Lot's of heterosexuals are members.

Thanks for the Michael Foran thread. I usually find him irritating in the way he explains things, but I think this is really clearly laid out.

What have Mermaids done?

Well this article is a read - it includes testimonials from someone who worked there and a parent.

It focuses on Susie Greens role.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12276791/Did-raising-trans-child-lead-Mermaids-founder-youngsters-health-risk.html
As the controversial Mermaids body is investigated by the Charity Commission... did raising her own trans child turn former CEO Susie Green into a zealot who put other youngsters' health at risk?

Worth remembering this has passed the Mail Lawyers.

Woah

that article is a mildly politer version of what gets said about Green on here

it really is tumbling down now I think

How can those people still work for such a disgraced charity as mermaids who it seems are barely even more front for maps and extremists? They must be shut down. Big questions about the nspcc too and childline, hopefully less. Amnesty went years ago. Stonewall really needs to be deregistered too with the illegal nonsense they have got gov depts to sign up too.