The legal basis on which Mermaids was said not to have status to challenge the registration of LGB Alliance as a charity

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I was astonished that in fact the ruling was about whether Mermaids could challege LGBA from registering, and on reading the judgement it implies others might have grounds to do this.

... in order for Mermaids to be a person affected by the decision, the Commission’s decision itself must relate to Mermaids in some way. The decision under appeal in this case does not relate to Mermaids, it is not about Mermaids nor its work. The decision is about LGBA and although Mermaids was interested in the outcome of the registration process, ... , such an interest or even engagement in the process does not vest Mermaids with a right to challenge the decision. The extent of Mermaids’ engagement in the Commission’s decision-making process is not relevant to the question of whether they are or may be affected by the decision.

It is very clear to us that Mermaids profoundly disagrees with the Commission’s Decision emotionally, politically and intellectually. We acknowledge that this disagreement is sincere, as are the concerns that have been voiced before us. Furthermore, it is apparent to us that many of those that support the work of Mermaids or those it supports also strongly disagree with the Decision. As noted by the Commission, they may well have had valid cause for complaint as to what LGBA and its activists have said in the past. However, applying the facts to the actual legal issue before us, the fact that Mermaids and those they support have been affected emotionally and/or socially is insufficient to provide them with standing to bring this appeal, no matter the depth of the feelings resulting from the Decision or the strength of their disagreement.

For these reasons we conclude that Mermaids is not a person who is or may be affected by the Decision and accordingly we dismiss the appeal

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Mermaids-v-Charity-Commission-judgment-060723.pdf

Statement from LGB Alliance https://lgballiance.org.uk/historic-win-for-lgb-alliance/

Statement from Charity Commissioner https://www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-responds-to-mermaidslgb-alliance-tribunal-verdict (which has its own thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4843004-charity-commission-statement-re-tribunal-judgement-on-lgb-alliance)

Love Merl coming rushing in to tell us the Mermaids spin several posts after it was already discussed. They probably just didn't read the thread in their haste to share, but it did remind me of...

@MerlinsLostMarbles Mermaid's appeal wasnt against LGBA so strictly speaking you are right that LGBA didnt win. However, Mermaid's appeal was denied, so it definitely lost, on the grounds it had no standing to bring the appeal. LGBA remains a charity.

"At tribunal, the LGB Alliance argued that it hadn’t got around to helping LGB people because of limited resources and because accusations of it being a “hate group” made it difficult to get funding."

A charity which, according to themselves, find it difficult to get funding because people see them as a hate group (I wonder why).

Unless of course, this was just an excuse to explain why they do almost nothing for LGB people and focus almost entirely on transpeople. Some more fun facts:

https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/10/14/kathleen-stock-labour-taiwo-owatemi/

When LGB-A applied for charitable status in the first place, their application was opposed by over 50 LGBT+ groups.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/12/14/twitch-lgb-alliance-charity-list-hateful-conduct/

Many orgs such as Twitch will not list them as a charity because they are a hate group.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/08/23/lgb-alliance-far-right-extremist-group-gpahe/

In Ireland, they were labelled as a 'far right hate group’ in an extremism report.

@MerlinsLostMarbles

Mermaids went to court to stop LGBA being a registered charity. The court fucked Mermaids off. Spin that however you want.

😂Prick news as a source!

A new charity has to spend hundreds of thousands of £££ defending baseless allegations from a controversial child sex change charity, currently under investigation by the CC for major child safeguarding fails, for employing a paedophile adjacent individual as a trustee, having an employee working with children while publishing porn photos of himself online, has had major data fails sharing confidential data about children and families online and to add to their woes , Prick News and Peter Tatchell are defending them

Just wait for the publicity about the outcome of the CC investigation into Mermaids - publicity about this failure in court will pale into insignificance.

😂 I’m going to have to remember that one.

this certainly shouldn't be taken as "proof" that they aren't transphobic at all

Given that most of the people LGBA support have also been accused of "transphobia" by Mermaids' definition of the word, I doubt this is of much concern to potential LGBA supporters.

Remind me again what the "LGB"-Alliance have actually done to benefit LGB people?

I've seen Pink News links before, but I don't think I've ever seen three in a single post. Impressive depth of research. A little narrow, but still, impressive depth.

Remind me again what the "LGB"-Alliance have actually done to benefit LGB people?

Stood up to Mermaids, for a start.

It's important to LGB people that someone is saying that biological sex does actually matter to homosexuals and bisexuals, even if that's not important to you.

@IwantToRetire
Surely it should have been Mermaids vs. the Charity Commission.

It was.
It was an appeal against the Charity Commission's granting of charity status to LGBA.

"It is very clear to us that Mermaids profoundly disagrees with the Commission’s Decision emotionally, politically and intellectually".

Intellectually? That is a bold statement when talking about Mermaids and the broader gender ideology.

Stood up for sex sex attracted people.
Opposed the imposition on same sex attracted people of a forced conversion therapy to become same gender attracted.
And they are only just getting started.

same sex

A helpline for lesbian and gay people who know they are same sex attracted but are getting bullied into being trans instead. This would have helped a young lesbian I know.

I think the LGBA mentioned the helpline on how the court case money could have been spent instead.

Can we not have one thread without homophobes invading it?

Why are the permanently muddled coming on here to explain things we've explicitly analysed all day already? I can only assume the words we used were too long and complicated?

Asides from being transphobic and attacking trans-supportive charities, please remind me again what the "LGB"-Alliance actually do to benefit LGB people?

Nothing. Because that's basically all they do.

It is ironic they don't have a "T" in their name, since transpeople are their main focus.

The muddled have come to start a fight, because that's how honest and kind they are. Let's leave them to it, eh?

No, I am sincerely curious what the LGB-Alliance actually do to benefit LGB people. They also oppose a ban on conversion therapy which is certainly very surprising for a supposed gay-rights charity.

They said in court along the lines of they can't afford to do anything to benefit LGB-people because people think they're a hate group.

Well, maybe they could address the reasons people think that?

Indeed. The sour are out tonight furious that they lost their case. Twatter is (for once) a joy to behold with the fox botherer, Mermaids, Tatchell et al being comprehensively ridiculed.

They said in court along the lines of they can't afford to do anything to benefit LGB-people because people think they're a hate group.

Well, maybe they could address the reasons people think that?

It's because homophobes keep inserting themselves into conversations under the false pretence that they're genuinely interested in discussion and then repeatedly chanting that LGBA are a hate group.

Proved categorically that the heteros at Mermaids are spiteful and vindictive to gay and lesbian people that don't agree with them.

Until 2015ish defending the rights of same sex attracted people seemed a worthy goal to the likes of Stonewall etc.

It's taken a rather short time for such an aim to be seen as being a far right extremist position by those who used to hold it.

There's an awful lot more pharma cash to be made from being trans than being gay....and money talks.

Remind me again which % of the LGB-A are LGB?

Wait I remember, it's 7%.