Abolition of the nuclear family

[SallyLockheart]

Found this via twitter and it’s a long piece done by an American who at one time worked on the Bernie Saunders election campaign. It tries to wrap up globalism and socialism movements in the west as being an infiltration of communism.

about one hour in it starts talking about dismantling the family and turning children against parents - starting with abolition of gendered language together with the promotion of critical race theory being taught in schools - and then delves deeper into abolishing mother and father etc

I found this fascinating and it ties up lots of theories I’ve read about the WEF, the UN, WHO and casts lots of doubt on Covid and Covid vaccines. Alternatively I’m being lost in rabbit holes !!

it highlights the capture of world leaders by the World Economic Forum which l cites Canada and Trudeau as a good example of where the WEF wants the world to go in terms of controlling its citizens and details how Trudeau sought to shut down the bank accounts of its protesting truckers. Likewise it talks about the farmers protesting against net zero farming policies in the Netherlands and the impact similar policies had in Sri Lanka and ESG scoring

given how YouTube seems to be censoring videos, it will be interesting to see if it stays up on the platform.

apologies for the long post 😀

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ptff6GXi-Ek&source_ve_path=MTc4NDI0

The video talks about people’s sense of doing what is kind and good - essentially a moral compass - has been weaponised to permit these ideologies - gender, race , queer etc - to thrive and spread.

But how can you present that negative assertion as fact? I'm sure we both agree it's nigh on impossible to prove a negative.
How do you, @ferretface, know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that "nobody has planned the capture of the institutions"?

I will try to find the clip of Yuri Bezmenov, a KGB agent who defected from Russia to Americanin the 1970s, describing the process by which the Russian Communist State wages psychological warfare to achieve the 'ideological subversion', as they call it, of the American people. He is literally describing how they plan to achieve capture of a culture's institutions.

It's 16 mins long, but just the first five illustrate my point adequately:

Even if you ignore all the conspiracy theory stuff, feminism has generally been pretty keen on abolishing the nuclear family, which is a pretty dreadful structure for women in general.

The UN is pretty clearly condoning Iran murdering women and poisoning girls. I don't care what you call it, UN bureaucrats who aren't actively calling that out (like Reem Alsalem who seems to be very much fighting against the direction of travel) are complicit.

The UN is, and possibly always has been, an institution that prioritises men's rights over women's human rights.

I think before you say that the nuclear family is terrible for women you need to propose an alternative that would be better.

The nuclear family can be terrible and it can be great for women. It very much depends.

These days I feel we're choosing between a system that's misogynistic and a system that entirely denies women any human rights at all.

And women - generally - care about children, specifically their own children, and I've yet to see any alternative to a family structure that is better for children. Most alternatives are wide open to abusers.

Hanlon's razor - never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

I work in a captured institution and see how it plays out from day to day. People inadvertently reinforcing the groupthink because they believe they are being kind and haven't bothered to really engage with the issues. Which then creates a feedback loop for more of the type of EDI training which becomes more and more ideological. Of course there are people with agendas but typically it's a selfish rather than intentionally malicious agenda.

"...a selfish agenda..." You mean like accumulating wealth and power?

Jesus. What happened to this board?

Hardly comforting to think there are big bad guys pulling the strings 😕

Could you explain why you think the nuclear family is 'generally a pretty awful structure for women'?

(Cambridge Dictionary definition: "a family consisting of two parents and their children".)

No she's saying that feminism has been keen on abolishing the nuclear family, which is a pretty dreadful structure for women... i.e. the family is a dreadful structure for women, not feminism, which seeks to abolish it.

I read it the same way as held.

Maybe @DaisyWaldron could clarify what she means?

Most other structures or systems of childcare tend to rely on other women to carry them out.

A reminder of the Dentons Report... https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

"Most other structures or systems of childcare [ie beyond the nuclear family] tend to rely on other women to carry them out."

I assume you think that's a bad thing? I disagree with your implied underlying assumptions anyway, though.

Are these 'other women' forced to participate in these 'other structures and systems of childcare'? Do they have no autonomy?

Are men not permitted to carry out these tasks?

I note also that dimorphism's point was that a better alternative family structure FOR CHILDREN to the nuclear family has not been found. They were not talking about what was best for women necessarily.

But the Denton document shows us that there has been a concerted effort to capture instutions worldwide.

On the principle of cui bono we can guess that the pharmaceutical companies are behind it and maybe other interests are involved.

I think dismissing conspiracy theories out of hand is exactly the other side of the coin to believing them blindly.

9/11 was the result of a conspiracy in that it certainly wasn't openly planned. To claim to know who conspired is a stretch, but that some people conspired is a fact.

I have seen that article before but re-reading it is quite chilling - especially since it was written in 2019. The last sentence is very astute

no policy made in the shadows can survive in sunlight.

it foretells what happens if the self id is promoted as a stand alone policy - eg Scotland- as opposed to Ireland where it was hitched to other equality rights.

sunlight and time - and boards such as this - plus Isla Bryson’s res leggings helped derail the Scottish policy

"The end game is the erasure of sex and sexed differnces; and when sex gets erased it is primarily women who lose out or suffer."

I've now watched the whole video, and found it very interesting, so thank you OP. It talks about how the CCP forced women to cut off their hair and dress in loose sack-like clothing, making both sexes as androgynous as possible. A female Chinese exile described this as an attempt to disrupt and eventually sever all interpersonal relationships, in favour of relying solely on The State for everything.

@NotHavingIt I'd slightly disagree with your line above. Whilst part of the tactics is to erase sexual differences, I think the endgame is something more akin the erasure of personhood, in favour of an a-personal 'global socialism' (to use the kindest description).

Also interesting was a guy talking about how language was weaponised in the 60's and 70's, to tar any dissenters as either Fascists or Nazis... eerily familiar tactics.

@HBGKC I'm glad you found it interesting - as you say there are many parallels to what is happening now, especially the tactics of shrieking nazi/fascist/xxphobe at any opposing view and the attempt to in effect separate children from their parents by offering a new ideology from the "state"

I'm not sure how you can look at the Denton document and see it as anything other than a conspiracy.

There seems to have been a concerted effort across the west to get policy and legislation passed without it going before the public eye. To capture as many institutions as possible and harness soft power.

Unless there is an assumption that a conspirator doesn't really believe in his cause? Which is clearly untrue.

What is plausible to me is to say that more and more politics seems to be operating that way. Lobbying in the shadows. Not a secret conspiracy, but the way things are done now.

But if so, maybe no wonder so many see conspiracies all around. Because actually, there kind of are - that's how that kind of power works.

A reminder of some previous threads concerning the UN.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4796258-where-did-pie-go-who-and-unesco-new-guidance-has-routes-in-queer-theory-sex-positivity-and-believes-children-are-sexual-from-birth?page=1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4785742-new-un-report-says-children-can-consent-to-sex-with-adults?page=1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4805601-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants?page=1

Well, quite. It's difficult to look at what the UN and WHO are actually officially saying, and deny that there is a) an agenda and b) that it is harmful to children and women.