Abolition of the nuclear family

[SallyLockheart]

Found this via twitter and it’s a long piece done by an American who at one time worked on the Bernie Saunders election campaign. It tries to wrap up globalism and socialism movements in the west as being an infiltration of communism.

about one hour in it starts talking about dismantling the family and turning children against parents - starting with abolition of gendered language together with the promotion of critical race theory being taught in schools - and then delves deeper into abolishing mother and father etc

I found this fascinating and it ties up lots of theories I’ve read about the WEF, the UN, WHO and casts lots of doubt on Covid and Covid vaccines. Alternatively I’m being lost in rabbit holes !!

it highlights the capture of world leaders by the World Economic Forum which l cites Canada and Trudeau as a good example of where the WEF wants the world to go in terms of controlling its citizens and details how Trudeau sought to shut down the bank accounts of its protesting truckers. Likewise it talks about the farmers protesting against net zero farming policies in the Netherlands and the impact similar policies had in Sri Lanka and ESG scoring

given how YouTube seems to be censoring videos, it will be interesting to see if it stays up on the platform.

apologies for the long post 😀

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ptff6GXi-Ek&source_ve_path=MTc4NDI0

Well you're either lying through your teeth about only just becoming aware of conspiracy theories OR you've been living under a rock, have genuinely just heard all this nonsense, and are very gullible. Which is it OP?

it sounds like this video is going for the conspiracy theory of everything. It’s going to unify all understanding under a single tin foil hat.

Why on earth is this in Feminism: Sex and Gender Discussions?

Are you trying to disparage the board? That tactic’s getting old really quickly.

I do say I might be getting lost down rabbit holes

its relevant to this board as it details how erasing the family - particularly the role of women - is desirable

people really love to believe that the UN is masterminding some kind of elite world order - I work with the UN every day - they are mostly just bureaucrats trying to do their best and fulfil their aims to have a peaceful world and improve living standards for everyone. The WHO is simply an agency of the UN that is focused on health.

It is so comforting to feel like there are big baddies behind the scenes pulling all the strings, but this is not the reality. The UN and the WHO has no interest in dismantling the family or doing anything other than what they are set up to do.

They also don’t have the ability to do most of these things. If there was a grand conspiracy at this scale then at some point one of the nerdy bureaucrats/law grads working for one of these organisations would have blown the whistle.

Lots of bad things do happen in the world and there are always bad actors (eg some of the sexual scandals with UN troops overseas) but this doesn’t mean there is a larger conspiracy.

But it's not actually relevant to anything because it's nonsense. It's as relevant to feminism as, say, the ravings of someone who think's they're Jesus are to Christianity. Only very peripherally amusing and very annoying.

I agree!

The end game is the erasure of sex and sexed differnces; and when sex gets erased it is primarily women who lose out or suffer.

i don’t think Victor Madrigal Borloz - UN ambassador on gender etc - is benign at all and positively works against the rights of women

You might be going down rabbit holes. Might?

The goal of the dismantliong of the nuclear family has always been that of amarxist positions. They tend to see the family as being the site of subjugation for women.

That's the thing with so many 'equality' arguments. By gradually erasing the reality of sexed differnces, or attempting to, women get erased and the integrity of the female experience as it realtes to the body and biology is effectively appropriated by men - which is what we are seeing now.

Can you refute the arguments with something other than a flat dismissal?

OP - sometimes when we make a post that we personally find very interesting and full of food for thought and discussion, you find some unexpectedly negative and dismissive responses - which are contrary to your expectations.
Don't worry! This a valid topic for discussion and i can see why you might find it worthwhile.

I didn’t see the gender / trans debate until a year or two ago. No debate by stonewall worked really well, it didn’t impinge on my life at all.

then you see it and increasingly hear it and increasingly get impacted by it. Recent advert for smear testing - “one in three haven’t had a smear test”

we now see a move to compelled speech - her penis? - and a move towards legislation against “hate” speech- such as is being debated in Ireland - and we have to start considering how did we get here?

@NotHavingIt thank you 😀

There is NO POINT in trying to convince conspiracy theorists about anything. If someone wants to believe the UN us orchestrating some malevolent scheme deploying gender ideology, net zero farming and covid vaccination to achieve… something nefarious, they’re only going to decide any evidence to the contrary is part of the conspiracy. And respond with something about flat earths instead.

There is no need to imagine a grand unified conspiracy theory of everything.

I dislike gender ideology as much as anyone but it hasn't arisen because of a conspiracy - it's a social movement and 99% of the people who believe in it genuinely think they are on the right side of history. As soon as you start blaming it all on conspiracy it becomes impossible to fight back against it because there is no organised conspiracy. It is a product of the prevailing culture and the solutions are found in the culture.

You forgot to throw in the Sages of Zion in your unified theory OP.

The UN? This UN? The condoning and rewarding Iran UN? What next, the Taliban? The UN is anti woman's rights. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/iran-wins-un-human-rights-role-despite-wave-of-executions-c0rbs0hfb

Whether these issues are all part of a conscious plot is not the point. The point is that these things are happening.

Social justice theories are Marxist theories, the end goal of which is radical re-structuring and dismantling of the old system or set of values.

Meanwhile Dovid and the lockdown have introduced the idea that we can all be effectively locked in our homes on government command. In China people were literally boarded into their homes.

And increasingly what we are permitted to say is being ever more regulated and policed. This is partly the nature of digital and social media communication. People think they can just dismiss arguments and make ad hominem attacks - without feeling they have to offer any argument or resource at all.

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Ever hear of coalition-building @dimorphism? That's how it works - you need to get a majority of member states on board, many of which sadly don't give a fuck about women's rights. No need to anthropomorphize "the" UN for that - if you want to understand the mechanism just look at voting in the Eurovision song contest.

Sometimes what people call call 'a conspiracy' is really just institutional capture of a particular theory or way of thinking. All of those social justice theories that came out of U.S university campuses have been effectvely inserted into every civil body and organisation. This has been intentional. that is how you effect the social change you want to see.

These organsisations are largely unaware of the roots of their edicts - but they replicate them, anyway. So, not a conscious conspiracy, no - but certainly a widespread adoption of ideological thinking and practice - that disguises the fact of its origin and so seems natural or progressive.

There is nothing natural or progressive about gender ideology and when we have world leaders who stumble over the question. “What is a woman” then we have to believe our culture had been captured

Agree Sally & nothavingit. There doesn't have to be a "conspiracy" per se, ie shadowy cabals of greysuits in meeting rooms & Zoom plotting to take over the world... Just academics to lay the ground work, activists to give the theories a big push, then they will gain momentum in the wider population. Like bird migration routes and the magnetic lines of the earth, theories and social norms will converge towards a single locus, rather than being orchestrated all steps of the way. Look at writers & critics who are putting the gender agenda within the bigger picture of social upheaval, dissolution of boundaries and fundamental word meanings, and technocratic/AI merger of the body with the machine, such as Jennifer Bilek, Paul Kingsnorth & Mary Harrington. Gender & QT are part of a much larger context.

But the point is that nobody has planned the capture of institutions - I agree that it has happened to a greater or lesser extent. But it's happened because people have unquestioningly gone along with what they believe to be the right thing. There is no guiding principle behind it other than human behaviour and there are a lot of contributing factors - e.g. technology and the internet, globalisation and sense of existential unease, unconscious drive to assert patriarchial norms etc etc.

I agree it's totally mad that our politicians are stumbling over questions like 'what is a woman' but they've got there because of a sort of groupthink, the sort of thing we'd look back on in history and be flummoxed about how mad everyone was.