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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

First Direct and Natwest closing bank accounts for political reasons inc being gender critical

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Snorkers · 30/06/2023 15:47

Apprently First Direct have closed the account of the Wings over Scotland founder for his beliefs (He's Gender Critical), and Coutts, owned by Natwest, closed Nigel Farage's account.
Whatever you think of Nigel Farage he is entitled to a bank account.

This is really worrying.

I bank with First Direct. I am gender critical. Do I need to hide my beliefs to keep my bank account? Will tey stop me getting access to my money?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12249755/Nigel-Farage-claims-three-loved-ones-bank-accounts-closed-Brexit.html

Are banks shutting accounts of customers with anti-woke beliefs?

Mr Farage has not named the bank who plan to shut his personal and business accounts this summer, but is understood to be Coutts, the famous 327-year-old private bank whose clients include the Royal Family.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12249755/Nigel-Farage-claims-three-loved-ones-bank-accounts-closed-Brexit.html

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Fallenangelofthenorth · 30/06/2023 18:44

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow I agree with you about Trump. I don't like him either but that's irrelevant. I was stunned that Twitter banned the serving president of the US

FedgeHund · 30/06/2023 18:51

Fallenangelofthenorth · 30/06/2023 18:43

It's fucking terrifying. Especially as we head towards cbdc and cashless society. I'm reading more and more of these stories since the Canadian truckers one. It's very very easy for banks to know what your views are.

Amazon may soon join in with book purchase lists, I can imagine Bryant trying to pass that type of legislation.

They will come for us eventually.

I feel bad for NHS and teaching staff that fought this, they and clergy will be first in line. Teach biology or sex ed, it looks like annoyed students won't just report to the school, the banks are taking random complains, I think it was talk radio discussing that happening, maybe with Mike? They discussed starting your own bank apparently the financial services ombudsmen was it , is a problem.

They take out the family too according to Nigel. Will any friend risk helping for fear they will be punished if they do?

Fallenangelofthenorth · 30/06/2023 18:58

FedgeHund · 30/06/2023 18:51

Amazon may soon join in with book purchase lists, I can imagine Bryant trying to pass that type of legislation.

They will come for us eventually.

I feel bad for NHS and teaching staff that fought this, they and clergy will be first in line. Teach biology or sex ed, it looks like annoyed students won't just report to the school, the banks are taking random complains, I think it was talk radio discussing that happening, maybe with Mike? They discussed starting your own bank apparently the financial services ombudsmen was it , is a problem.

They take out the family too according to Nigel. Will any friend risk helping for fear they will be punished if they do?

Absolutely! So currently it's "only" gender critical people being targeted but there's not really anything stopping them from also cutting off people who don't agree with the government- as we saw in Canada. Or people who don't recycle properly, people who have hour long baths (me), people who don't do enough for the community. This feels like we're edging towards China's social credit system. How close do we need to get to this before the general population agree we're "too close"?

rampagingrobot · 30/06/2023 18:59

Snorkers · 30/06/2023 15:47

Apprently First Direct have closed the account of the Wings over Scotland founder for his beliefs (He's Gender Critical), and Coutts, owned by Natwest, closed Nigel Farage's account.
Whatever you think of Nigel Farage he is entitled to a bank account.

This is really worrying.

I bank with First Direct. I am gender critical. Do I need to hide my beliefs to keep my bank account? Will tey stop me getting access to my money?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12249755/Nigel-Farage-claims-three-loved-ones-bank-accounts-closed-Brexit.html

Oh fgs give the daily mail a rest. You really think Courts has closed Farage's account because he is "gender critical"??? 🙄

Or more likely he has dubious money he can't account for the origins of, especially likely of russian origin.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 30/06/2023 19:05

As you say it's 'more likely' he has dubious money he can't account for, then you don't know either, so it could be GC beliefs, it could be dodgy donations, it could be anything. The point is that this is a slippery slope to excluding people for what are, in the case of GC beliefs, protected by law.

And just because people detest Farage doesn't mean this isn't something we should dismiss with 'well he's obnoxious so he deserves it'.

Needmoresleep · 30/06/2023 19:12

It’s been going on for a while. Six years ago there was a small spate of stories along these lines.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5852547/Co-operative-bank-bans-feminist-group-using-services.html

From memory it was at a point when MN advertisers and others were targeted if they did not fall in line. The slight difference seems to be that then it was activists urging boycotts, but now the corporate world seem to have taken it upon themselves to be our moral guardians/controllers.

Co-operative bank bans feminist group from using its services

The bank claims the unnamed group has 'actively declined the rights of members of the transgender community', sparking a furious backlash from British activists.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5852547/Co-operative-bank-bans-feminist-group-using-services.html

rampagingrobot · 30/06/2023 19:14

Fallenangelofthenorth · 30/06/2023 18:44

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow I agree with you about Trump. I don't like him either but that's irrelevant. I was stunned that Twitter banned the serving president of the US

You think they should allow their platform to be used for inciting violence? 5 people died because of him.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 30/06/2023 19:17

rampagingrobot · 30/06/2023 19:14

You think they should allow their platform to be used for inciting violence? 5 people died because of him.

I don't agree with you.

dcbc1234 · 30/06/2023 19:19

'My Amex has regular/monthly payments to LGB alliance and sex matters.'

Me too lol. It is all part of the ongoing chilling effect on people to have to police your own language. I feel that way about the Scottish hate Crime Law. There are topics I will only discuss with people I know 100% share my views. It makes for boring conversations when you meet new people.

FannyCann · 30/06/2023 19:22

Croneofakind · 30/06/2023 18:29

Perhaps we should open a credit union for the crowdfunding campaigns and the like? Not sure how it would work, but if the banks don't want the business there must be an alternative.

I have no idea how it would work.

But I listened to Julie Bindel podcast with Sal Grover who is embroiled in a very high risk case in Australia, Tickle v Giggle

She set up her own crowdfunder via the Giggle app, not sure how it worked but she has the IT support. I did a bit of gardening for her, it is a big case and the stakes are high.

Anyway, that's a roundabout way of saying she has the expertise for setting up crowdfunders.

Your bank would still know you've contributed to it though. It really is incredibly concerning.

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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 19:23

rampagingrobot · 30/06/2023 19:14

You think they should allow their platform to be used for inciting violence? 5 people died because of him.

Er no, I very specifically said that his tweets inciting violence could have been censored, without banning him entirely. Meanwhile, child sexual exploitation, rape and other horrible content was allowed to stay on Twitter.

Musomama1 · 30/06/2023 19:27

Messed up. Are all these services being run by a bunch of yobby student activists? Because that's how it seems.

Hoping these two will sue for discrimination.

BluebellBlueballs · 30/06/2023 19:30

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 30/06/2023 17:35

But the bank doesn't tell you why they close your account, and they don't have to...

They may have to tell a judge if they were being accused of discrimination in a court of law?

DarkDayforMN · 30/06/2023 19:32

rampagingrobot · 30/06/2023 18:59

Oh fgs give the daily mail a rest. You really think Courts has closed Farage's account because he is "gender critical"??? 🙄

Or more likely he has dubious money he can't account for the origins of, especially likely of russian origin.

I'm interested in your conspiracy theories! Do you also think the Wings Over Scotland guy's personal account, and the accounts of the Triggernometry guys, had dodgy Russian money in them?

Isn't it a more parsimonious explanation to assume his account was closed for the same reason theirs was - because he had the wrong opinions in public?

dcbc1234 · 30/06/2023 19:33

pottydimley · 30/06/2023 17:46

I hope that Maya Forstater's £100K damages award today will make some of these companies sit up and take notice.

Yay I didn't realise that had happened today. Shocking how long that has taken from start to finish.

dcbc1234 · 30/06/2023 19:35

'Amazon may soon join in with book purchase lists, I can imagine Bryant trying to pass that type of legislation.

They will come for us eventually.'
This is why everyone needs to join the Free Speech Union:

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SaturdayGiraffe · 30/06/2023 19:37

Have any mass murderers had accounts closed?

Trainstrike · 30/06/2023 19:37

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 30/06/2023 17:48

Farage says that some of his relatives have had their accounts closed as well, so if true the banks are going down the guilt by association route; which is even more sinister.

More likely they've all been receiving or transferring money to dubious accounts.

BluebellBlueballs · 30/06/2023 19:42

LonginesPrime · 30/06/2023 17:04

I was just thinking that at least for normal people not in the public eye, their bank doesn't know their private views.

But of course, they do if you've ever contributed to a crowdfund or other campaign online.

This is like Terfblocker but it stops you being able to buy food.

Plus, it discourages people from donating to political campaigns so it potentially defunds all fighting back against gender ideology. Can you imagine where we'd be now if everyone had been too terrified about being able to feed their kids to donate to Maya's campaign?

I have a monthly dd to sex matters.

Worried now.

And PayPal are completely captured with the rainbow all over their app logo this month. I know of an English Radfem group who had their PayPal account frozen after TRAs reported them as a hate group

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 19:57

SerendipityJane · 30/06/2023 19:44

In time, a market will probably develop, to provide services to those considered politically untouchable by other banks. But it will be for a steep premium.

In the meantime, my direct debits to sex matters and transgender trend continue, for as long as I'm able.

Alyso · 30/06/2023 20:08

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StayAnonn · 30/06/2023 20:20

This is nonsense and ultimate conspiracy theory territory. Ive NC for obvious reasons.

I work for a bank, in an area linked to bank initiated closures. In short, I review hundreds of bank initiated account closures every month, in detail.

I find about one error in every couple of hundred. Mainly genuine human errors, people who pushed a button they shouldn't have. The very, very rare case of a staff member who's been way too overzealous or negligent in their review and didn't have a sound case.

Other than that, theres ALWAYS a good reason.

  • Customer dealing with Russia, lots of Russian addresses/references/mentions.
  • Payments with names of known or suspected sanctioned individuals as references (usually on a terrorist watch list)
  • Customer calls are reviewed and poor Mr customer is found to be shouting and swearing viciously at call centre staff regularly.
  • Customers transactions are clearly suspect with payments in that far exceed their recently stated income and refusal to explain. Money laundering concerns.
  • Customers on the make or take - regular complaints raised requesting compensation for spurious reasons. Or the arrogant ones with too much spare time who hate banks and take pleasure in wasting time - multiple requests for subject access requests, copies of historic documents, call recordings, demands for clarification on the minutiae of T&C's, all for no obvious reason.
  • Misuse of cards. Regular attempts at charge backs, again for spurious reasons.

So many others. These are all legitimate reasons that banks will kick you out for. For many cases, there will be a record of customer contact since closure. They're always hard done by, they claim all sorts of things regularly - that the bank is discriminating due to their colour/race/age/job/beliefs etc.

Nope. It's because the bank thinks they're a dodgy fucker, misusing bank facilities or abusing their staff or resources and they have enough evidence to justify their decision under stringent policies.

No one taking their sad face account closure story to the DM is going to be honest though are they?!

In terms of the bank also taking out your family - yep, they will. If the concern is money based, so ML suspicions or unaccountable transactions then it's likely to not just be you but your spouse, your adult kids and any one else that you regularly exchange money with.

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