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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS animation to support LGBTQIA+ training

69 replies

EffinHell · 30/06/2023 13:36

Name changed for this.

Yesterday NHS launched new e-learning to help support LGBTQIA+.

I have no idea what the actual training looks like but this is the video on YouTube to help support the training and is probably part of the training. The video defines each part of LGBTQIA+.

I'm not going to say anything else because the video speaks for itself.

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eveoha · 30/06/2023 15:14

I’m practicing pronouncing the pronouns ‘ze zir’ in the same fabulousy breathy aspirating voice as used in voiceover 🙄

LonginesPrime · 30/06/2023 15:31

25sheets · 30/06/2023 14:56

The woman reading that has given me the heebies. They've picked her for her nice, gentle, wooing voice but we know she's a fucking lunatic if she believes any of this horseshit.

I assumed they picked her because she pronounces sexual as "secsual", thereby removing any connection between sexuality and actual sex.

Hepwo · 30/06/2023 15:31

The first thing said is that it's important to know about someones sexual identity and what it means to them.

Well no, I don't think it is at all important to know that.

Unless it's healthcare specific please keep it to yourself at work in or using the NHS.

Why are we being sexualised at work and when using the NHS?

They are sex obsessed. The left, it's all they think about. That and shouting at the evil Tories about money.

Money and sex, the obsessions of the left.

Hepwo · 30/06/2023 15:33

You can 1000 percent guarantee that everyone involved in the production of that mess is left wing.

LonginesPrime · 30/06/2023 15:34

Lovely how she essentially says: the b represents bisexuals, but that suggests there are only two genders, so it's rather a bigoted term that people are using to describe themselves, isn't it boys and girls? That's why lots of bisexual people now refer to themselves as bi plus, to show that they include trans people, which is much nicer, isn't it?

LonginesPrime · 30/06/2023 15:39

"I know this is a lot of letters" in a training video for medical professionals sounds incredibly patronising and absolutely batshit.

As if the reason medical professionals aren't embracing "inclusive language" and gender ideology is because it's too much information to remember and keep up with - keeping up to date with complex scientific changes is literally these people's jobs, FFS.

IcakethereforeIam · 30/06/2023 15:47

Yes! Because of the batshittery of the rest of it, I'd totally forgotten how patronising the start of it was.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 30/06/2023 15:47

Ah right
Literally anyone can be a lesbian and its ok to not remember all of this.

And the NHS is squandering real money on this utter shite. And then claiming they have no money?

And they missed out a bunch of letters, wasnt it once
LGBTQQIP2SA

So the other letters got dropped now? Too hard to explain like we are 4 years old? Forgotten?

CoffeeWithCheese · 30/06/2023 15:51

Oh god please don't add it to the list of mandatory shit we've got to sit through. I get invited/volunteered for a load of diversity and equality stuff at work because of my "lived experience" (I fucking hate that phrase) as a member of the neurodiversity community (I'm an openly diagnosed autistic clinician in an area where there aren't many of us).

Tend to grit my teeth and pray I get allocated to an area of discussing my own areas of clinical interests and not to the trans alphabet soup area. So basically, at events celebrating diversity and being your authentic self - I have to mask the fuck out of myself even harder than normal. The irony of this amuses me but to admit my views would be professional suicide at present. I take consolation from the number of "what the fuck is cis and when were we meant to have learnt about that" muttered comments in the room.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 15:51

Hmm. Currently watching someone going through pregnancy in an inadequate maternity unit with shit facilities, unable to provide gas and air to women in labour and a grim record in terms of safety. Seeing something as unhinged as this reminds me just how self absorbed & downright dangerous some people are who work in the NHS.

PriOn1 · 30/06/2023 16:07

Capitulatingpanda · 30/06/2023 15:03

Did anyone else feel really upset by "anyone can identify as a lesbian" it totally erased same sex attraction. I know this is nothing new but having worked in the NHS for so long (not anymore) I felt a bit crushed hearing them very very clearly redefine lesbian in a video that is meant to train people. Sad rage....

I felt that the whole explanation of lesbian and gay was utterly overshadowed by the insistence that trans people MUST be included. It’s no longer acceptable to explain those terms alone, they MUST be modified.

And 🤨to queer being reclaimed in the 80s. Presumably they learned their history from doctored photos of early protests and the fact that queer has been popularised very recently has been conveniently memory-holed, along with the original photos.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 30/06/2023 16:27

Coyoacan · 30/06/2023 14:32

"Asexual refers to people who sometimes feel romantic and sexual attraction to others but only under certain circumstances"!!!!!!

Words fail me

That’s almost everyone who isn’t one of the alphabet people, isn’t it? Oh, and the vast majority of the LBG as well ( at least in my experience).

I’m excited! I’ve got a letter! 😃

but no special pronoun☹️

IamAporcupine · 30/06/2023 16:32

Myalternate · 30/06/2023 15:02

Notice how prominent the ‘T’ is in that graphic, all the others letters are fairly squashed up.

I noticed exactly the same - it's almost double in size

IamAporcupine · 30/06/2023 16:36

LonginesPrime · 30/06/2023 15:31

I assumed they picked her because she pronounces sexual as "secsual", thereby removing any connection between sexuality and actual sex.

Also because if you had a man reading this, it would sound really creepy

Coyoacan · 30/06/2023 16:44

You can 1000 percent guarantee that everyone involved in the production of that mess is left wing

You can 1000 percent guarantee that at least 50% of those of us criticising that mess are also left wing

Melroses · 30/06/2023 16:45

I am sure I recognised some of the characters on there

It wasn't 'insightful' though. Just word salad gobbledegook.

ditalini · 30/06/2023 16:47

All hail the hypnotoad.

That was a very odd video to sit through with the caaaaaaaalm voice saying "important" and "must" and other imperatives a lot. And the soooooooothing music, and the nodding heads.

Am I reprogrammed now?

Ourladycheesusedatum · 30/06/2023 16:50

Melroses · 30/06/2023 16:45

I am sure I recognised some of the characters on there

It wasn't 'insightful' though. Just word salad gobbledegook.

I recognised some, I'm just shit at names and not one name has come to me.

The one with the "affirming" mastectomy scars? I know I know who it is. Can I fuck think of the name

Jaxhog · 30/06/2023 16:52

I was turned off by the narrator being a transwoman. Why do they have to be the explainers? Why not one of the other groups?

I switched it off after the explanation of Lesbians being attracted to 'women'. Surely they are attracted to female bodies, not people who choose to call themselves 'women' or non-binary etc. ?

Or am I truly missing the point?

mauvish · 30/06/2023 17:06

I'm totally p'd off with hearing about the "LGBTQIA+ community".

What community? I see no "community". Why on earth would choosing to represent yourself with one of those letters mean that you're now part of a "community" with a bunch of other people who've chosen a different representative letter and with whom you may have nothing else in common either?

I don't call myself by any label except woman. My pronouns are she/her, not that I feel that needs stating to anyone IRL. I'm certainly not part of any non-existent "community" just because some people would choose to attach one of those letters to me.

SierraSapphire · 30/06/2023 17:19

I feel like I’m in a parallel universe on this and mn is the only safe space until recently when it got so extreme in my workplace and a few of us in the team exploded (quietly amongst ourselves) with “this is bollocks and dangerous”! I can’t use the word women in promoting womb cancer.

Thank you @TeenLifeMum from a woman who's had womb cancer. It's bad enough having it already without having to cope with all the "people" with womb cancer shit when you read anything. And if the NHS wants to be sensitive about something, how about not making us declare sexual assault every time we see a different professional and I need to ask for female staff. I have never needed to say the words "I was sexually assaulted" so many times as I have since being diagnosed.

And on another topic about sensitivity, I was even asked to sign something before a scan to declare I wasn't pregnant the other day, when they gave me a hysterectomy last year. I was too old for more kids anyway but lots of younger women with gynae cancers are distraught about the loss of fertility. But this sort of sensitivity doesn't seem to be a priority.

ZeldaFighter · 30/06/2023 17:59

SierraSapphire · 30/06/2023 17:19

I feel like I’m in a parallel universe on this and mn is the only safe space until recently when it got so extreme in my workplace and a few of us in the team exploded (quietly amongst ourselves) with “this is bollocks and dangerous”! I can’t use the word women in promoting womb cancer.

Thank you @TeenLifeMum from a woman who's had womb cancer. It's bad enough having it already without having to cope with all the "people" with womb cancer shit when you read anything. And if the NHS wants to be sensitive about something, how about not making us declare sexual assault every time we see a different professional and I need to ask for female staff. I have never needed to say the words "I was sexually assaulted" so many times as I have since being diagnosed.

And on another topic about sensitivity, I was even asked to sign something before a scan to declare I wasn't pregnant the other day, when they gave me a hysterectomy last year. I was too old for more kids anyway but lots of younger women with gynae cancers are distraught about the loss of fertility. But this sort of sensitivity doesn't seem to be a priority.

Yep, my notes for at a midwife appointment said "Gravidas - 5" (meaning pregnancies) and "Live births - 3". I saw it and said "that's not a very sensitive way to refer to my 2 miscarriages". She looked embarrassed, covered it up and said "we've told them that." That was 2009.

Sunnydays41 · 30/06/2023 18:18

Ourladycheesusedatum · 30/06/2023 15:47

Ah right
Literally anyone can be a lesbian and its ok to not remember all of this.

And the NHS is squandering real money on this utter shite. And then claiming they have no money?

And they missed out a bunch of letters, wasnt it once
LGBTQQIP2SA

So the other letters got dropped now? Too hard to explain like we are 4 years old? Forgotten?

I had to look up that alphabet soup.... 2 is apparently two-spirited, for anyone unaware... People who are simultaneously made up of both male and female spirits 🤨

Are spirits different to genders?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 18:19

SierraSapphire · 30/06/2023 17:19

I feel like I’m in a parallel universe on this and mn is the only safe space until recently when it got so extreme in my workplace and a few of us in the team exploded (quietly amongst ourselves) with “this is bollocks and dangerous”! I can’t use the word women in promoting womb cancer.

Thank you @TeenLifeMum from a woman who's had womb cancer. It's bad enough having it already without having to cope with all the "people" with womb cancer shit when you read anything. And if the NHS wants to be sensitive about something, how about not making us declare sexual assault every time we see a different professional and I need to ask for female staff. I have never needed to say the words "I was sexually assaulted" so many times as I have since being diagnosed.

And on another topic about sensitivity, I was even asked to sign something before a scan to declare I wasn't pregnant the other day, when they gave me a hysterectomy last year. I was too old for more kids anyway but lots of younger women with gynae cancers are distraught about the loss of fertility. But this sort of sensitivity doesn't seem to be a priority.

So sorry that you have to experience this SierraSapphire. It's very evident that that at a strategic level there's only one group allowed consideration and sensitivity in the NHS. Flowers

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 30/06/2023 18:20

Coyoacan · 30/06/2023 16:44

You can 1000 percent guarantee that everyone involved in the production of that mess is left wing

You can 1000 percent guarantee that at least 50% of those of us criticising that mess are also left wing

This!

I think Corbyn's a wooly liberal and the current Labour party is right wing, and I know this sort of stuff is dangerous batshittery - especially somewhere like the NHS.

It is not a left-right political issue. The fight back must be a unified effort, not fragmented.